

Curious Minds at Work
Gayle Allen
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
Episodes
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Apr 10, 2023 • 43min
CM 237: Elaine Fox on Mental Agility
Change is a part of life, and it’s a big part of growing and developing. Yet, with change comes uncertainty, and that can cause us to get stuck.
To thrive during change, we need a mental agility that comes from self-awareness, emotional awareness, and situational awareness. It’s about what Elaine Fox calls, switch craft.
Elaine Fox is a leading psychologist and performance coach who’s spent her career working with athletes, military leaders, and executives. What she’s seen is that the most successful people are the ones who can toggle between different approaches, who have an agile mind.
In her book, Switch Craft: The Hidden Power of Mental Agility, Elaine Fox teaches us what it means to be mentally agile and how to master its key components. It’s the perfect book for managing all of the change and uncertainty that surrounds us today.
Episode Links
Gut Feelings: How Does Intuition Work, Anyway?
Perspectives from affective science on understanding the nature of emotion
Turn Your Subliminal Biases Toward Optimism
The Matter of Everything: How Curiosity, Physics, and Improbable Experiments Changed the World by Suzie Sheehy
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Mar 27, 2023 • 49min
CM 236: Tess Wilkinson-Ryan on When to Play the Fool
No one wants to feel like a sucker. In fact, the very thought of being one – of playing the fool – shapes our behavior in powerful ways.
But what if our fear causes us to make choices that aren’t good for us? Or worse, what if people weaponize our fear in order to dominate or disempower us?
Tess Wilkinson-Ryan has written a stunning book on the topic called, Fool Proof: How Fear of Playing the Sucker Shapes Our Selves and the Social Order and What We Can Do about It. A psychologist and law professor, Tess helps us understand what this fear is, why we have it, and how it plays out in law, politics, and everyday life. She also shares how to overcome it and make the decisions that are aligned with our goals.
It’s a book you’ll keep thinking about long after you’ve read it.
Episode Links
Breach is for Suckers
Transferring Trust: Reciprocity of Norms and Assignment of Contract
Moral Judgment and Moral Heuristics in Breach of Contract
Njinga of Angola: Africa’s Warrior Queen by Linda Heywood
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Mar 13, 2023 • 36min
CM 235: Jonah Berger on How to Get Your Way
Almost everything we do – personally and professionally – is affected by the words we use.
They help us build relationships, persuade others, and communicate feelings. But what if I told you that 6 types of words were better at doing those things than all the others?
These findings are at the heart of Jonah Berger’s latest book, Magic Words: What to Say to Get Your Way. Jonah is a bestselling author who’s studied millions of words used in all kinds of settings. And he’s found that certain words hold the key to getting your way.
Whether you want to be more effective in achieving your goals or just become more aware of how you’re coming across, this book is for you.
Episode Links
3 Rhetorical Techniques to Increase Your Impact
How Language Shapes Word of Mouth’s Impact
Don’t Just Vote Be a Voter
This is How You Lose the Time War by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone
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Feb 27, 2023 • 51min
CM 234: Jill Schlesinger on the Great Money Reset
The pandemic caused many of us to rethink our lives. From the places we’ve been living to the work we’ve been doing. It’s been an opportunity to hit the reset button.
Of course, financial considerations play a central role, and that’s something Jill Schlesinger began to notice. It’s what prompted her to write her latest book, The Great Money Reset: Change Your Work, Change Your Wealth, Change Your Life. A financial analyst and former financial planner, Jill wants to give us the financial tools we need to hit the reset button.
That includes new ways of thinking about money, taxes, home ownership, and the businesses we want to build or sell. Her book is masterful. She takes a topic most people fear – money – and helps us put it in service of how we want to live.
Episode Links
Jill on Money: The IRS is Your Friend
How Changing Careers after 45 Can Pay Off in the Long Run
Jill on Money: Inflation Takes Bite out of Savings
The Diamond Eye by Kate Quinn
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Feb 13, 2023 • 52min
CM 233: Daniel Willingham on Smarter Ways to Learn
As adults, we need to learn new things all the time.
Yet many of us are relying on the same outdated methods we used as adolescents to do it. Thinks like relentless highlighting and endless rereading.
If so, it may be time to take advantage of the latest research on learning.
That’s where Daniel Willingham comes in. In this interview, we discuss his latest book, Outsmart Your Brain: Why Learning is Hard and How You Can Make It Easy. Dan explains when our brains may be working against us. He also shares specific strategies for overriding our brains, so we can convert information into knowledge and understanding.
In a world where learning is more important than ever – for our lives and careers – Dan’s book is just the resource we need.
Episode Links
You’ve Been Studying All Wrong. This Professor Can Help You Outsmart Your Brain
Proof Points: One Expert on What Students Do Wrong
One Thing Teachers Can Do to Help Students Change Their Habits
Remarkably Bright Creatures by Shelby Van Pelt
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Jan 30, 2023 • 53min
CM 232: Vanessa Bohns on How We Influence Others – Encore
One of the messages our culture delivers is “not enough.” Not clever enough. Not busy enough. Not successful enough. It’s a cultural mantra that beats just below the surface of many conversations, especially the ones we have with ourselves.
That’s what’s so refreshing about Vanessa Bohns’ book, You Have More Influence Than You Think: How We Underestimate our Power of Persuasion and Why It Matters. Vanessa’s message, when it comes to influence and persuasion, is that we’re more than enough. That’s why it’s so important we understand how they work because, like our favorite superheroes, we can use these powers for good or for evil.
Vanessa is a professor of organizational behavior at Cornell University. Her writing has appeared in the New York Times and Harvard Business Review, among other publications.
Episode Links
Shared Experiences are Amplified
Audience-tuning Effects on Memory
Saying is Believing Effect
Prison Book Program
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Jan 16, 2023 • 50min
CM 231: Nate Zinsser on Building Your Confidence – Encore
Confidence seems elusive. We do something that comes easily and we don’t think twice about it. Or we try something new, experience setbacks, and question our capabilities. It leaves us thinking that confidence is something other people just seem to have. All the time.
Performance psychologist Nate Zinsser knows that’s just not true.
For decades he’s been working with Olympians, professional athletes, military leaders, and other high performers in his role as Director of West Point's Performance Psychology Program. What he’s learned is that confidence is something we need to build, protect, and practice. In his book, The Confident Mind: A Battle-Tested Guide to Unshakable Performance, he shares the methods he’s developed to help us do just that.
Reading Nate’s book helped me realize just how many misconceptions we have about confidence. And they’re the kind of misconceptions that can really hold us back. I think you’ll enjoy the interview and I know you’ll learn a lot from the book.
Episode Links
How I Avoid Burnout: A West Point Performance Psychologist
A Psychologist Who Helps West Point Cadets Develop Mental Strength Shares 3 of His Best Tips
Plateaus, Dips, and Leaps: Where to Look for Inventions and Discoveries During Skilled Performance
When We Cease to Understand the World by Benjamin Labatut
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Jan 2, 2023 • 58min
CM 230: Ayelet Fishback on Achieving Your Goals – Rebroadcast
Most of us have a love-hate relationship with New Year’s resolutions. We love that feeling of a fresh start. But we hate how our commitments seldom make it to Valentine’s Day.
So what if this year we had an expert teach us how to do it right?
Ayelet Fishbach is that expert. She’s a social psychologist at the University of Chicago and author of the book, Get It Done: Surprising Lessons from the Science of Motivation.
In this interview, we talk about how to choose goals that energize us and how to pair them with incentives that keep us motivated. We also discuss a system for working on multiple goals simultaneously. Finally, we learn about the power of social support and how we can get it.
Episode Links
Immediate Rewards Predict Adherence to Long-term Goals
The Structure of Intrinsic Motivation
You Think Failure is Hard? So Is Learning From It
Slacking in the Middle
Pursuing Goals with Others
Crying in H Mart by Michelle Zauner
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Dec 19, 2022 • 45min
CM 229: Cassie Holmes on Happiness, Meaning, and Fulfillment
We go to the dentist, get our eyes checked, and get our cars inspected. These regularly scheduled health and safety audits let us know how we’re doing.
But we rarely audit how we spend our time.
Sure, most of us have a calendar. Yet few of us study how these calendar events impact our happiness. We rarely track the connection between what we spend our time doing and how well we’re flourishing.
As a result, we can find ourselves feeling unhappy, frustrated, and what scientists call “time poor.”
Researchers like Cassie Holmes want to change that. They’ve learned there’s a strong connection between how we spend our time and how happy we feel. In her book, Happier Hour: How to Beat Distraction, Expand Your Time, and Focus on What Matters Most, she shares ways we can optimize our calendars for happiness, including ways to avoid distraction, extend joy, create a meaningful schedule, and avoid regret.
Holmes’ tips on time tracking and time auditing are simple and powerful. As the year draws to a close, this may be just the book you’re looking for as we head into a new year.
Episode Links
Having Too Little or Too Much Time is Linked to Lower Subjective Well-being
Our Flawed Pursuit of Happiness – and How to Get It Right
A Valuable Lesson for a Happier Life (video)
Trust by Hernan Diaz
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Dec 5, 2022 • 47min
CM 228: Woo-kyoung Ahn on Thinking Smarter
How we think about things can have an outsize impact on whether we achieve our goals.
Take, for example, the research we might do to make an important decision. If we’re already committed to a certain way of thinking, it’s likely we’ll only focus on information that confirms what we already believe. It’s what scientists call confirmation bias, and it can cause us to overlook, or even dismiss, information critical to things like our health, our finances, and our careers.
And it’s not the only mental bias we hold.
That’s why, to make better decisions, we need to start by understanding what these biases are. Next, we need to learn when they’re most likely to kick in. Then, we need to know how to circumvent them. These are the reasons Woo-kyoung Ahn wrote her book, Thinking 101: How to Reason Better to Live Better.
Ahn’s book is based on the wildly popular course she teaches at Yale. It includes riveting examples, amazing research findings, and targeted steps we can take to address our biases. She provides a versatile set of tools we can use to improve our mental performance.
Episode Links
Bias on the Brain
Be Mindwise: Perspective Taking vs Perspective Getting
What's Fueling Lonnie Walker IV's Surge with the Los Angeles Lakers by Dave McMenamin
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