
Curious Minds at Work
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
Latest episodes

Feb 29, 2016 • 49min
CM 025: Sydney Finkelstein on Leaders Who Move the World
If you are going to have a boss (or be a boss), make it a Superboss. Why? Because a Superboss leads individuals, teams, and organizations in ways that move the world.
Sydney Finkelstein, bestselling author of Super Bosses: How Exceptional Leaders Master the Flow of Talent, shares these insights in our interview. Sydney is Professor of Management and Faculty Director of the Tuck Executive Program at the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth where he specializes in business leadership and strategy.
In this episode, we talk about:
why working for a Superboss may be the best thing you ever do for your career
what sets Superbosses apart when it comes to hiring
why Superbosses dismiss textbook approaches to leadership
how Superbosses leverage collaboration and competition in teams
how losing incredible talent only strengthens Superbosses and their organizations
what you can do right now to become a Superboss
how Superbosses pursue deep passions outside of work
Sydney shares incredible stories from his research and captures how Superbosses often act in fascinating and counterintuitive ways.
Episode Links
@sydfinkelstein
Superbosses: How Exceptional Leaders Master the Flow of Talent by Sydney Finkelstein
NFL, Bill Walsh, 49ers
Lorne Michaels and SNL, Tina Fey, Jimmy Fallon, Mike Myers
Norman Brinker and Chilis, Steak and Ale
Jon Stewart
Ralph Lauren
Larry Ellison
Marc Benioff and Salesforce.com
Julian Robertson
Jay Chiat
Bill Sanders
George Lucas and Skywalker Ranch, Industrial Light and Magic
Pixar
Alice Waters and Chez Panisse
Chase Coleman, III
General Electic (GE)
Harvard Business Review and Why Chief Human Resource Officers Make Great CEOs
Network effect
Thomas Frist and HCA
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Feb 22, 2016 • 37min
CM 024: Adam Grant on Being Original
Abraham Lincoln, Lucy Stone, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Steve Jobs: What set them apart and helped them achieve such world-altering success? In his latest book, Originals: How Non-Conformists Move the World, Adam Grant shares the research on the mindsets, behaviors, and emotional resilience that lead to incredible breakthroughs in innovation and creativity. He also explains how we can apply these findings to our own lives.
Adam Grant is the youngest tenured, highest-rated professor of management and psychology at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. He is a contributing writer for the New York Times, and he’s consulted with organizations like Google, the United Nations, and the U.S. Army. He is also the bestselling author of Give and Take: Why Helping Others Drives Our Success.
In this episode, we talk about:
why Originals rarely accept the status quo
breadth versus depth -- which one drives innovation and creativity?
the role of risk in the mindset of Originals
what Originals do differently when faced with the same fears as everyone else
why we are the worst judges of our own ideas and who can help us
the importance of status over power in rallying others around our ideas
why enemies can become our biggest advocates
what really causes groupthink and prevents innovation
the power of getting pulled into leadership roles
role models versus mentors and how it can be easier to find them
why we need to rethink optimism, happiness, and contentment for achievement and innovation
why your first 15 ideas are less original than your next 20
Adam also shares how he uses these ideas in his classroom.
Episode Links
@AdamMGrant
Adam Grant website
Originals: How Non-Conformists Move the World by Adam Grant
vuja de
Albert Einstein
Tiger Mom
Galileo Galilei
Dean Simonton
Segway
Steve Jobs
Jerry Seinfeld and Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee
Frenemies
Basecamp
David Heinemeier Hansson
Abraham Lincoln
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Michelangelo
Irving Janis and Groupthink
Devils advocates and Charlan Nemeth at University of California, Berkeley
Mark Cuban and Shark Tank and Mavericks
Elon Musk
Peter Thiel
Lord of the Rings
Sheryl Sandberg
Jeff Bezos
A Wrinkle in Time
Mark Zuckerberg
Enders Game
Disney
Michael Eisner
The Lion King
King Lear
Hamlet
Bambi
Uber
TED Talk
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Feb 15, 2016 • 35min
CM 023: Donald Sull on Making Smarter Decisions
Every day we have problems to solve and decisions to make. Too often, the steps we take to address them result in more complexity, rather than less. That is where simple rules come in.
Donald Sull, bestselling author of Simple Rules: How to Thrive in a Complex World offers a six-step framework for better decision-making that has been tested with individuals and with organizations. An expert in global strategy, Don is a senior lecturer at MIT and a former professor at Harvard University and the London Business School. Using vivid examples and powerful stories, Don helps us see the creative impact of developing and applying simple rules.
In this episode, we talk about:
ways simple rules support strategy and encourage innovation
the ways simple rules beat out one-size-fits-all rules
the six-part framework to make simple rules of your own
why we need to involve the users of the rules in the creation process
how feedback only makes rules better over time
how simple rules can support personal and organizational agency and ownership
Episode Links
@simple_rules
donsull.com
Simple Rules: How to Thrive in a Complex World by Donald Sull and Kathleen Eisenhardt
Oakland As
Billy Beane
The Gates Foundation
Why the French Do Not Get Fat
Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think by Brian Wansink
Collin Payne
Pierre Chandon
Murmuration
Craig Reynolds
Orcs
Lord of the Rings by J. R. R. Tolkien
Zipcar and Robin Chase
Votorantim
Contagious: Why Things Catch On by Jonah Berger
Young Presidents Organization
Elmore Leonard
Tina Fey and 30 Rock
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Feb 8, 2016 • 26min
CM 022: Miki Agrawal on Pursuing Your Passion
What does it take to pursue your dream? For Miki Agrawal, it took a catastrophic event that had a direct impact on her work and her life. It woke her up to three goals she had always wanted to achieve. And it led her to become the serial entrepreneur she is today.
Along the way, Miki has been upending industries and winning all kinds of awards, including the Tribeca Film Festival 2013 Disruptive Innovation Award and Forbes 2013 Top 20 Millenials on a Mission. Just this past year, she received the 2015 World Technology Summit Social Entrepreneurship award for her company, THINX, a stain-resistant line of sustainable underwear for women.
In this episode, we talk about:
the event that prompted Miki to rethink her life
the wish list that led her to entrepreneurship
the secret to asking others to participate in your dreams
how freelance work primed her for working for herself
how passion and ignorance go a long way in risk taking
the role trial and error play in building a new product
Miki shares the ways she is disrupting an industry and prioritizing social responsibility. She also talks about her passion for rethinking culture and confronting cultural taboos.
Episode Links
Do Cool Sh*t
WILD
Tao Restaurant and Rich Wolf
Alex Koren
Toms
Warby Parker
AFRIPads
Tushy
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Feb 1, 2016 • 29min
CM 021: Jocelyn Glei on Creativity, Happiness and Meaningful Work
We all want to do meaningful work that gives our lives purpose and lets us be creative. And yet, the very tools that help us stay organized and connected can cause the kind of distractions that erode time spent on meaningful work.
Jocelyn Glei, bestselling author and editor of Manage Your Day-to-Day, Founding Editor-in-Chief and Director of Behance’s 99U and the 99U Conference, talks about this and more in this episode. And she helps us rethink what we know about creativity, meaningful work, and happiness.
In this episode, we talk about:
why creative work is so important
how being busy can distract us from doing work that matters
the creative rituals and routines that result in more meaningful work
why we need to redesign and manage our relationship with technology
the positive roles of productive procrastination and anxiety in creative, meaningful work
short-term happiness versus long-term purpose and meaning
Jocelyn also gives us a glimpse into her upcoming book on the distractions of email. She is the author of two additional books, Make Your Mark and Maximize Your Potential.
Episode Links
@JKGlei
Brene Brown
Jonathan Adler
Zine
MIT Press
The Acceleration of Addictiveness by Paul Graham
Hooked by Nir Eyal
The Achievement Habit by Bernie Roth
Out of Sheer Rage by Geoff Dyer
Miranda July
Evernote
Scrum
The Gift by Lewis Hyde
The Concept of Anxiety by Soren Kierkegaard
Seth Godin
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Jan 25, 2016 • 39min
CM 020: Martin Ford on Artificial Intelligence, Automation and the Future of Work
Artificial intelligence, robotics, and automation technologies are fulfilling (and surpassing) predictions from the most creative science fiction. While the possibilities are exciting, these changes force us to ask what this means for the future of work. What jobs will they replace? Which industries will they decimate? What impact will they have on how we live and work in what many are calling a post-industrial age?
Martin Ford explores these questions and more, in his bestselling book, Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future. Named 2015 Business Book of the Year by the Financial Times and McKinsey, his book is helping to drive a much-needed conversation around the dark side of innovative technologies. As a software company founder who has worked in the industry for over 30 years, Martin saw how automation was eliminating more and more jobs. This led him to research the impact of cutting-edge technologies on labor, wages, and productivity.
In this episode you will learn:
why this time is different when it comes to the impact of automation on jobs
the important role education will play in how we respond and adapt
why we need to rethink income and healthcare policies to ensure a healthy economy
the pressing need to raise awareness around this issue and to incentivize solutions
Episode Links
@MFordFuture
Luddite
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Triple Revolution
Machine learning
Deep Learning
Artificial intelligence
The Three Breakthroughs That Have Finally Unleashed Artificial Intelligence on the World by Kevin Kelly
Everlaw
Long tail distribution
Ray Kurzweil
Basic or guaranteed income
Single-payer healthcare
X Prize
Peter Diamandis
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Jan 18, 2016 • 34min
CM 019: Gillian Tett on Breaking Down Silos
When we operate in silos, we narrow our perspective in ways that can limit, and even destroy, innovation. So where have we seen silos before and what can we learn from them?
In this fascinating conversation with Gillian Tett, award-winning journalist and U.S. Managing Editor of the Financial Times, she explains how silos reversed decades of innovation at Sony, limited innovation in a world-class hospital, and played a key role in the 2007 global financial crisis. Drawing on insights from her bestselling book, The Silo Effect: The Peril of Expertise and the Promise of Breaking Down Barriers, she helps us see the patterns that create these tendencies, and the simple steps we can take to avoid or overcome them.
In this episode you will learn:
what makes smart people do apparently stupid things
how rewards and incentives can reinforce a silo mentality
why success can lead to silo perspectives
steps we can take to overcome mental and organizational silos
the value of an insider-outsider perspective
Also in this interview, Gillian encourages us to recognize how the silos begin erected in the information technology industry have begun to mirror those that led to the 2007 global financial crisis.
She is the other of two other bestselling books, Saving the Sun and Fools Gold.
Episode Links
@GillianTett
Octopus Pots
British Press Awards
Cleveland Clinic
Pierre Bourdieu
Mental Maps
Securitizations
Sir Paul Tucker
Paul McCulley
PIMCO
Shadow banking
Zoltan Poszar
Nicolaus Copernicus
Cultural anthropology
Brett Goldstein
Open Table
Toby Cosgrove
Robin Dunbar
It is Complicated by danah boyd
Liquidated by Karen Ho
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Jan 11, 2016 • 45min
CM 018: Jeff Speck on Designing Cities that Fuel Innovation
Why do most people want to live in walkable cities and towns? What's the impact on innovation and well-being?
Jeff Speck, city planner, urban designer, TED Talk speaker, and bestselling author of Walkable City: How Downtown Can Save America, One Step at a Time, offers fascinating and fact-filled responses to these questions. Along the way, he tells us the changes needed to make cities the thriving places that most people want.
In this episode you will learn:
what is a walkable city
how walkable cities drive innovation by attracting talent
what makes cities safer than suburbs
how more traffic signals actually make cities less safe
why the most popular solutions to congestion actually increase it
what the cheapest solution is for making a city more walkable
how great urban design trumps weather every time
Jeff also shares a fascinating insight regarding a possible downside of self-driving cars.
Episode Links
@JeffSpeckAICP
The Walkable City TED Talk by Jeff Speck
Externalities
Millenials Seek Walkable Cities
Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam
Single Family Housing
Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett
Induced demand and traffic
Free Good
Donald Shoup
Prospect-refuge Theory and Jay Appleton
Charrettes for Design
Andres Duany
Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk
Happy City: Transforming Our Lives Through Urban Design by Charles Montgomery
Inclusionary zoning
Granny flats
Wyandanch, New York
Suburban Nation: The Rise of Sprawl and the Decline of the American Dream by Andres Duany, Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk, and Jeff Speck
Jarrett Walker - Human Transit
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Jan 4, 2016 • 33min
CM 017: Jonah Berger on Why Things Catch On
Why do certain products, services, or stories go viral? How can we make our own work contagious?
These are questions Wharton Professor, Jonah Berger, answers in his bestselling book, Contagious: Why Things Catch On. In this fascinating interview, he explains his six-part framework and discusses the behaviors that drive us to make certain ideas, products, and services contagious.
In this episode you will learn:
how to apply these techniques to your own work
what made the video for a seemingly humdrum product - a blender - go viral
which emotions drive us to share and which ones do not
what makes us spread the word for free
why you might suffer from the curse of knowledge and how you can avoid it
the critical difference between social media and word of mouth
Jonah also gives us a peek into his upcoming book on all the ways social influence drives our behavior. Fascinating stuff!
Episode Links
Beta testing
Social psychology
STEPPS Framework
Hooked: How to Build Habit-forming Products
Geico ad for Hump Day
Curse of knowledge
Trojan Horse
Social influence
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Dec 28, 2015 • 34min
CM 016: Michelle Segar on Rethinking Exercise and Motivation
If you are one of the millions of people who struggle to stick with an exercise program, Michelle Segar has a secret for you: It is not your fault; it is a faulty system.
After years of studying the science of motivation, Michelle Segar, Ph.D., Director of SHARP -- the Sport, Health, and Activity research and policy center at the University of Michigan -- has created a framework for rethinking exercise, one that replaces a prescriptive mindset with one more aligned with human behavior and emotion. Filled with practical tips and strategies, Michelle’s bestselling book, No Sweat: How the Simple Science of Motivation Can Bring You a Lifetime of Fitness, is informed by years of putting these findings into practice with people just like you.
In this episode you will learn:
how to short-circuit the vicious cycle of failure
why fitness apps are not enough
why willpower is not the answer
the science of decision making and reward
the power of self-determination theory - initiating behavior because you should versus because you find it meaningful
the more moderate recommendations for physical activity - which are known by less than 1 percent of physical activity professionals
Episode Links
Paulo Freire
Dan Ariely
Behavioral economics
Reward Substitution
Self-determination theory
No Sweat Resolutions Quiz
2015 USA Best Book Awards
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