
Curious Minds at Work
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
Latest episodes

May 9, 2016 • 46min
CM 035: Greg McKeown on Achieving More by Choosing Less
Productivity strategies do not work if we are focused on the wrong things. What we really need is an effective system for determining what is absolutely essential and the discipline to work on that thing. We need criteria that empower us to select our highest priority, and a strategy for eliminating everything else.
My guest, Greg McKeown has designed this system, and he has written about it in his award-winning bestseller, Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less. In addition to his writing and speaking, Greg is CEO of THIS, Inc., a Young Global Leader for the World Economic Forum, and a lecturer at Stanford University. In this interview he shares incidents in his own life that led him to develop this system, as well as the elements that make the system powerful.
In this episode, we talk about:
How we forget our power to choose
How our language shapes how we view the world
How our priority became priorities and what that means for our lives
Non-essentialism as a form of malware that has infected all areas of our lives
How the smartest, most driven, capable, and curious people are the most vulnerable to non-essentialism
Why we need to retire in our roles in order to gain perspective and get our lives back
How a list of 6 can get us to our number one priority
A game-changing way to use our journals as reflective, proactive tools
The power of small wins
The downside of email-to-email living
Why technology makes a good servant but a poor master
What it means to protect the asset in order to lead an essential life
The unimportance of practically everything
How discerning what is essential gives us the courage to push back on what is not
Teaching young people how to focus on what is essential
The three historical waves of non-essentialism or how we got here
Why you want to be an essentialist before the busyness bubble bursts
The trade off between our highest contribution versus what we got done today
Greg also talks about how he is making a deliberate choice to hold off on his second book in order to focus on his highest contribution. He explains how challenging it is to do that and how aware he is of the trade offs he is making along the way.
Episode Links
@GregoryMcKeown
http://gregmckeown.com/
Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less by Greg McKeown
Panem - bread and circuses
World War II
Facebook
Tulip mania
Deep Work by Cal Newport
@JaniceKaplan2
http://www.janicekaplan.com/
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May 2, 2016 • 32min
CM 034: Amy Wilkinson on the Secrets of Successful Entrepreneurs
We may believe that successful entrepreneurs possess innate abilities that set them apart, but what if those skills are just the result of practice and experience?
That is the conclusion of Amy Wilkinson, bestselling author of The Creators Code: The Six Essential Skills of Extraordinary Entrepreneurs. She performed five years of interviews with the founders of organizations such as LinkedIn, eBay, Under Armour, Tesla Motors, Spanx, Airbnb, and PayPal. The result? She learned that these entrepreneurs share six common skills that made them successful. Perhaps more importantly, she contends that these are things that any of us can learn.
Wilkinson is a strategic adviser and lecturer at Stanford Business School. Her career spans leadership roles with McKinsey and J.P. Morgan. She has served as a White House fellow, special assistant to the U.S. Trade Representative, and as a senior fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School.
In this episode, we talk about:
How successful entrepreneurs seek not to be first, but rather, to be only
Why creators hold the key to a new economy
The importance of finding the gap between what is and what can be
How we can train ourselves to spot problems and see them as opportunities
How Starbucks built its success on the concept of lift and shift
Ensuring success by looking forward versus looking back
Why you might need to fire yourself in order to innovate
How nostalgia holds us back
What the OODA Loop can teach us about entrepreneurship
Why we all need to build a failure ratio into our work in order to grow
The power of networking minds to solve big problems
How you can be creative, innovative, and entrepreneurial within your current organization
Episode Links
@amywilkinson
AmyWilkinson.com
Elon Musk and Tesla and Zip2
Kevin Plank and Under Armour and the University of Maryland and the Terrapins
Howard Schultz and Starbucks
Nascar Driving School
Chris Guillebeau and Born for This: Find the Work You Were Meant to Do
Andy Grove of Intel
Gordon Moore of Intel
John Boyd and OODA Loop and Paypal
Billpoint
Palm Pilot
Youtube
Yelp
Digg
Founders Fund
Clarion Capital
Palantir
Jessica Herrin and Stella and Dot
InnoCentive
BP Oil
AOL
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Apr 25, 2016 • 36min
CM 033: Karie Willyerd on Future-Proofing Your Career
Fear of job obsolescence ranks higher for most people than their fear of dying! Only half of workers today believe their skills will be valuable three years from now, and of this group, only a third feels their companies are providing the kinds of training they need to do anything about it.
That means the learning is on us, and we need strategies for navigating this strange new world.
Karie Willyerd has answers. Karie is the author of Stretch: How to Future-proof Yourself for Tomorrow’s Workplace. She is the Workplace Futurist for SuccessFactors, an SAP company, and the co-author of The 2020 Workplace: How Innovative Companies Attract, Develop, and Keep Tomorrows Employees Today. Her articles and blogs appear regularly in Harvard Business Review, and she has been a Chief Learning Officer for five Fortune 500 companies.
In this episode, we talk about:
How, no matter where we work, it is on us to manage our professional learning
What our professional learning has to do with Al Capone
Why millennials really are not that different from everyone else
The one thing that 83% of executives agree on
Five practices we can use to stay current
The power of a diverse network
What it means to: learn a living
A powerful system for reflection with a triple loop for learning
What a reverse mentor is and why we each need one
Why we need new experiences in our work
When to throttle down on productivity in order to learn new skills
Why bouncing forward is so much better than bouncing back
What it means to become an enhanced employee
Karie also shares insights on the power of virtual reality for learning and building relationships.
Episode Links
@angler
Gallup Report - Employee Engagement Findings
SAP
Oxford Economics
Al Capone
Sell-by date
David Kelly and IDEO
Farai Chideya and The Episodic Career
Mark Granovetter and the concept of weak ties
Adam Grant and Give and Take
Harvard Learning Innovation Labs
New York Times New Work Summit
NFL
Disney
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Apr 18, 2016 • 52min
CM 032: Doug Rushkoff on Redesigning the Economy
Named one of ten most influential thinkers in the world by MIT, Doug Rushkoff asks some seriously big questions on this episode of Curious Minds.
The biggest one is: what if an economy predicated on growth is unsustainable? Growth at companies like General Electric (GE) used to mean jobs for hundreds of thousands of people. That same growth, at companies like Facebook and Google, yields, at most, tens of thousands of jobs. As growth-oriented tech companies absorb more jobs through smarter tech and automation, is this an opportunity to rethink the nature of work, jobs, and the overall economy?
Doug Rushkoff asks us to consider that topic in his latest bestselling book, Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus: How Growth Became the Enemy of Prosperity. Rushkoff is a professor of media theory and digital economics at Queens College, CUNY. He is the bestselling author of a dozen other books, including Present Shock, Program or Be Programmed, and Life Inc.
In this episode, we talk about:
Why Doug sees growth as the culprit in our current economy
The unmet promise of technology and the long tail for artists and creatives
How big data analytics reduces unpredictability and, thereby, innovation
Ways more of us can take ownership of the platforms putting us out of work
How it is not the job we want but the meaning, purpose, and material benefits work gives
Money as a verb
How currency tools like blockchain can help us rethink power and authority
Twitter as a textbook case of tech success but growth company failure
How digital distributism can trump digital industrialism
The shift from tech as energizing to energy sucking
Ruskhoff also talks about how he thinks about technology use in his own life, including which tools he chooses to use and why.
Episode Links
@rushkoff
www.rushkoff.com
Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus by Doug Rushkoff
eBay
Etsy
Operating system
Bazaar
Crusades
Burning Man
Acquisition
IPO
Wired
Chris Anderson
Long Tail
The Long Tail by Chris Anderson
Free by Chris Anderson
Mondo 2000
Boing Boing
Ponzi scheme
Alan Greenspan
Taylor Swift
Power law dynamics
Distributism
Venture capital
Capital gains tax
Blockchain
Bitcoin
PGP - pretty good privacy
Distributism
Marxism
Capitalism
Marshall McLuhan
Peer-to-peer economy
Lendingtree
Fintech
Faustian bargain
Private equity
Flip this house
Michael Dell
The Sixth Extinction by Elizabeth Kolbert
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Apr 11, 2016 • 31min
CM 031: Farai Chideya on the New World of Work
Technology and globalization are reshaping work, but what can we do about it? What approaches should we take as organizations do more with fewer employees? How can we think about our careers as we hold more jobs over the course of our lives, often from different fields? What skills do we need and what mindsets should we hold?
Farai Chideya, author of The Episodic Career: How to Thrive at Work in the Age of Disruption, helps us answer these questions. Through her research, reporting, and work experience, she offers insights into what has changed and what we can do. Farai is a Distinguished Writer in Residence at New York Universitys Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute, an award-winning author, journalist, professor, and she frequently appears on public radio and cable television, speaking about race, politics, and culture.
In this episode, we talk about:
The most important step you can take before starting a job search
Counterintuitive ways to find local jobs and to use your social network
How a learning mindset can ensure greater career success
Why emotional resilience is the new superpower
The upside of an episodic career
Why a tech-informed mindset is a must-have no matter your job
Farai also shares her curiosity about American life and the American dream and how a changing world of work is influencing these things. She wonders how new technologies will change how we live.
Episode Links
@Farai
http://www.farai.com
The Episodic Career: How to Thrive at Work in the Age of Disruption by Farai Chideya
New York University Journalism Institute
Facebook
Google
Virtual reality
Artificial intelligence
Robotics
Automation
Data journalism
Farai and the FiveThirtyEight Blog
Decision tree
Rise of the Robots by Martin Ford
Encore.org
CRISPR
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Apr 4, 2016 • 26min
CM 030: Chris Guillebeau on Winning the Career Lottery
We each have work we were born to do, but it can take time and effort to find it. Becoming comfortable with the search is half the battle, because we need to try different kinds of jobs and work environments. With each experience we gain greater insight into the skills and knowledge we have to share, and we find our perfect blend of work, skills and meaning.
In his latest book, Born for This, Chris Guillebeau, bestselling author of The $100 Startup and The Happiness of Pursuit, shares his own experiences and the stories of the many people he has interviewed, to help us navigate this process and choose our own path. Chris is the creator and host of The World Domination Summit, and a successful entrepreneur, speaker, and blogger. After a 10-year personal quest, he has visited every country in the world.
In this episode, we talk about:
Why you see yourself as self-employed, even if you work for someone else
The joy-flow-money framework for evaluating creative opportunities
What it means to bet on yourself
The environments that support your best work
The skills you most need to learn (and they are not what you think they are)
Why giving up is actually a good thing
Strategies for hacking new products and services
Why curiosity is so important
Episode Links
@ChrisGuillebeau
ChrisGuillebeau
Born for This by Chris Guillebeau
The $100 Startup by Chris Guillebeau
The Happiness Pursuit by Chris Guillebeau
The World Domination Summit
Steve Jobs
Seth Godin
Facebook
Shenee Howard
Manifest Destiny
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Mar 28, 2016 • 27min
CM 029: Herminia Ibarra on Learning to Lead
We are taught to think before we act. But what happens when we need to act in order for that thinking to make sense?
Herminia Ibarra’s research suggests that is exactly the case when learning to lead. Based on decades of research, teaching, experience, and interviews, her latest book, Act Like a Leader, Think Like a Leader, outlines ways that we can assume larger leadership roles. Her work also confirms that, until we adjust to these new roles and responsibilities, we may feel fake or unlike ourselves. All of that is normal.
Herminia is a Professor of Leadership and Learning at INSEAD and the Founding Director of The Leadership Transition program.
In this episode, we talk about:
The small but crucial changes we can take on a daily basis to step up to leadership
Ways to redefine our jobs to make more strategic contributions
What it means to diversify our networks for learning
Ways to inject playfulness into how we see ourselves to ensure growth and change
Why it is natural to feel like a fake when we take on new roles and responsibilities
How to network within rather than outside of or on top of our jobs
The importance of taking action over spending time endlessly reflecting and thinking
Episode Links
@HerminiaIbarra
http://herminiaibarra.com
Act Like a Leader, Think Like a Leader by Herminia Ibarra
Working Identity: Unconventional Strategies for Rethinking Your Career by Herminia Ibarra
Outsight Principle
Mark Snyder
Steal Like an Artist by Austin Kleon
Zelig
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Mar 21, 2016 • 41min
CM 028: Cal Newport on Deep Work
Should we expect distractions at work? Or are we unwittingly cooperating in our own ineffectiveness?
In this conversation, Cal Newport, bestselling author of Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World, shares how deep work has become the superpower of the 21st century. Cal argues that today’s workplace is a minefield of distractions. With email, open floor plans, and instant messaging systems, we’re continually pulled away from meaningful, productive work. And the very tools our workplaces rely on to promote productivity are actually contributing to increased distraction and inefficiency.
Learning to take control of our own attention is not only the key to a meaningful life, but it is the key to economic viability in a distracted age.
Cal is Assistant Professor of Computer Science at Georgetown University, as well as the bestselling author of five books. His ideas and writing are frequently featured in major publications, and he is author of the popular blog, Study Hacks.
In this episode, we talk about:
What makes deep work so valuable
How deep work makes life more meaningful
What deep work looks like and how little distraction it takes to ruin it
Why boredom is actually the key to doing deep work
Why relationships hold the key to deep work
Why we should be teaching young people to engage in deep work
The value of being lazy when it comes to deep work
Why you need a philosophy for doing deep work
Cal also shares his deep curiosity to rethink cognitive workflows in a post-industrial age.
Episode Links
@CalNewport
Calnewport.com
Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World
Georgetown University
MIT
Slack
Eric Barker
The Second Machine Age by Andrew McAfee and Erik Brynjolfsson
Madmen
Adam Grant
Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania
Sophie LeRoy and attention residue
Jack Dorsey
Square
Twitter
Industrial Revolution
Henry Ford
Scientific management
Assembly lines
Knowledge worker
Wilhelm Hofmann
Roy Baumeister
How to Live on 24 Hours a Day by Arnold Bennett
Downton Abbey
The Collaboration Curse in The Economist
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Mar 14, 2016 • 37min
CM 027: Bee Wilson on How We Learn to Eat
Why do we love certain foods? What role do families and memories play in our tastes? How can we help our children to eat well and wisely? While we may think our food preferences are innate, most are learned when we are young. And that also means we can change our preferences if we choose.
In her bestselling book First Bite: How We Learn to Eat, Bee Wilson helps us rethink everything we thought we knew about eating. Bee is the author of four books, a writer for The Guardian & the London Review of Books, and the BBC Radio Food Writer of the Year.
In this episode, we talk about:
how our food likes and dislikes are less about biology and more about learned habits
whether children know instinctively how to eat healthy foods
how our home environment shapes our preferences
why children reject new foods and how to get them to eat a wide variety
the fascinating role of schools in influencing our eating habits
how to change the types of foods that we like
the role that gender plays in the formation of eating habits
choices Japan made to change its eating patterns
how we often overlook the single biggest influence on our eating habits
Bee also speculates on how our healthcare systems could improve our health and save billions of dollars by teaching how to eat.
Episode Links
@KitchenBee
Bee Wilson
Consider the Fork
First Bite: How We Learn to Eat
Clara Davis
Supertasters
Food neophobia
Lucy Cook
Tiny Tastes
Keith Williams and Tiny Tastes
Karl Duncker
Julie Mennella
Bulimia
Anorexia
Eating in Post-War Japan
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Mar 7, 2016 • 35min
CM 026: Dan Gardner on Predicting the Future
How can you better forecast the future? What are the characteristics and habits of mind of those who are the best in the world at doing it? And why are those people rarely the forecasters featured in the national and international media?
In their bestselling book Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction, Philip Tetlock and Dan Gardner have shared their research on the elite few who correctly predict events that have not yet happened. Dan is an award-winning journalist, an editor, and the author of two other books, Risk and Future Babble. He recently joined the Canadian Prime Minister’s office as a senior advisor.
In this episode, we talk about:
what separates superforecasters from others making predictions
the limits of even the best forecasters
the two types of forecasters -- Hedgehogs and Foxes -- and which one is better
how the intelligence community learned surprising things about their predictions
the most common mistakes of amateur forecasters
why the best forecasters are not smarter and don’t have more access to information
the role of intellectual humility in forecasting
how to learn to be a superforecaster
Dan also shares the things he’s most curious about working on next.
Episode Links
@dgardner
@ptetlock
Philip Tetlock
Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction
The Good Judgement Project
The Fox and the Hedgehog
George Soros
IARPA
Groupthink
John F. Kennedy
Bay of Pigs
Cuban Missile Crisis
Daniel Kahneman
Thinking Fast and Slow
Paul Slovic
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