
Curious Minds at Work
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
Latest episodes

Dec 21, 2015 • 22min
CM 015: Warren Berger on Questions that Prompt Innovation
What if the secret to successful innovation lies in asking ambitious questions, the kinds most of us rarely ask? That is exactly what Warren Berger learned in speaking with some of the most recognized, global leaders in innovation. He discovered that they not only ask different kinds of questions, but they apply those questions to problems unsolved and unseen. Along the way, they change the world.
He shares these insights, and more, in his bestselling book, A More Beautiful Question: The Power of Inquiry to Spark Breakthrough Ideas. Most importantly, he helps us learn how we, too, can ask these kinds of questions and get started on our own innovative paths.
In this episode you will learn:
why curiosity is a killer app for success in work, life, and leadership
the difference between ordinary and game changing questions
the power of problem finding
tips for helping us question our assumptions
a framework to support innovative inquiry
the connection between making, design thinking and powerful inquiry
how important it is to create a culture of questioning
Warren will share insights from his work with leaders in all kinds of organizations, including schools, and he will talk about his goals for future projects.
Episode Links
Wired Magazine
Why Curious People are Destined for the C-Suite
The Right Question Institute
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Dec 14, 2015 • 31min
CM 014: Alvin Roth on the Secrets of Market Design
Nobel-prize-winning economist Alvin Roth explores the markets that shape our lives, particularly our work, our health care and our schools. He also explains how key technologies enable companies like Uber, Airbnb, and Google to thrive. His insights extend beyond products, services, and features to include how successful companies attract and hire the most talented employees.
Alvin Roth is a Stanford University Professor, and bestselling author of Who Gets What - and Why: The New Economics of Matchmaking and Market Design. In this episode you will learn:
how one phone call and a pivotal decision ultimately led to a Nobel Prize
the important differences between markets
the role of markets when it comes to marriage, loans, and more
the role of social support in markets
the ways the Internet and mobile technology shape market possibilities
the three key factors that influence the success of companies like Airbnb and Uber
the ways Smartphones are influencing markets
how labor market findings influenced the market designs of today
what game theory can teach us about getting into college and getting a job
how market designers are applying their skills to the growing global refugee crisis
Alvin also shares what got him interested in the economics of market design and the potential this new field holds for helping us rethink what markets are and can do.
Episode Links
Bob Beran
National Resident Matching Program
Operations research
Roth-Peranson Algorithm
Elliott Peranson
United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS)
School Choice Programs
Black Market
Repugnant Markets
Lloyd Shapley
David Gale
The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences
1962 paper of Lloyd Shapley and David Gale
Stable Matching (or Marriage) Problem (SMP)
Game Theory
Parag A. Pathak
Atila Abdulkadiroglu
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Dec 7, 2015 • 41min
CM 013: Jamie Holmes on the Surprising Benefits of Uncertainty
No one likes uncertainty, yet our success may depend on it. In the bestseller, Nonsense: The Power of Not Knowing, Jamie Holmes argues that uncertainty and ambiguity are invaluable mindsets in an increasingly complex world. In fact, he wants us to rethink our desire for order and closure, so that we can be better leaders, decision makers, and innovators.
A recent Future Tense Fellow at New America, Jamie has written for the New York Times, the New Yorker, the Philadelphia Inquirer, CNN, the Huffington Post, POLITICO, the Christian Science Monitor, the New Republic, the Atlantic, Slate, Foreign Policy, and the Daily Beast.
In this episode you will learn:
the reasons why a high tolerance for uncertainty is so valuable right now
the ways we can use uncertainty to avoid bad decisions
how our need for closure and order drives so much of what we do
the value of uncertainty for innovation and creativity
strategies for guarding against negative behaviors associated with certainty
when (and how) to hire employees who thrive on uncertainty
the kinds of leaders we prefer versus need in times of uncertainty
how successful, innovative companies incorporate uncertainty into their business models
what this means for educators and learners
the real-world disorder and chaos associated with innovation, discovery, and creativity
concrete strategies to help students get more comfortable with uncertainty
what a renowned golf instructor can teach us about feedback
the power of travel and bilingualism for building this capacity
the power of reading fiction for helping us strengthen our tolerance for uncertainty
Jamie also shares how uncertainty, ambiguity and not knowing make us better leaders and expand our capacity for innovation and creativity.
Episode Links
Jerome Bruner
Leo Postman
Travis Proulx
Jordan Peterson
Arie Kruglanski
Need for Closure scale
Stalling for Time by Gary Noesner
Ambiguity Intolerance
Zara
Inditex
Amancio Ortega
Jim Lang
Assumption College
Brilliant Blunders by Mario Livio
Bob Christina
Dean Simonton
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Nov 30, 2015 • 27min
CM 012: Thiel Fellow Madison Maxey on Making and Design
At 16, Madison Maxey was the youngest to intern at Tommy Hilfiger. Shortly after that, she founded her company, The Crated, a product innovation studio focused on second-generation wearable technology. Then, she went to college, like she was supposed to do.
But for Maddy, there was a disconnect between the feelings that she received from her work and sitting in college classes.So after one semester of college, she dropped out to accept a Thiel Fellowship. Since then her work has been featured in Wired, Fast Company, and New York Magazine, and she has provided wearable tech insights to the likes of the White House and Google. She has been named a founder to watch by Women 2.0 and is an Entrepreneur in Residence at General Assembly and an Artist in Residence at Autodesk.
This week, in a special edition of Curious Minds, I share interviews with four young people, ages 18-22, each of whom decided either to drop out or never attend college, in order to pursue work that mattered to them. Each is either a current or past recipient of a Thiel Fellowship, a program founded in 2011 by Peter Thiel to encourage young people to sidestep college and a traditional life path, in order to chart their own course as entrepreneurs.
In this episode you will hear Madison talk about:
innovations in wearable technology
what motivated her to learn programming
why she dropped out of college after one semester
her eagerness to be a Thiel Fellow
her passion for costume design and design optimization
what her parents thought about her decision to drop out of college
her policy of You Do You
the importance of finding your tribe
how communication skills inform her work
her work in relation to the Maker Movement
how uncertainty is a natural part of innovation
why young people should be working on projects right now
how she had to learn the skills of time management
her curiosity about teamwork, collaboration, and community in relation to a goal
Episode Links
Digital Fabrication
Textile Circuits
General Assembly
Autodesk
Computational Design
3D CNC Machine
Workflows
Arduino
Enabling Technologies
Nathan Wolfe TEDTalk
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Nov 30, 2015 • 27min
CM 011: Thiel Fellow Alex Koren on Learning to Fail
Alex Koren had never considered dropping out of college. A successful high school student, he headed to Johns Hopkins University and was class president in his first year. Furthermore, that summer, Alex headed to a high-powered summer internship at Intel, seemingly the perfect opportunity for an undergraduate engineering major.
Then something happened. While working at Intel, Alex organized a hackathon that led to his first company, Hyv, which focused on solving big problems with data. The engagement and exhilaration that he felt led him to found the company Chrg, with the goal of using everyday outlets and chargers in service of electric vehicles. Not long after that, Alex dropped out of college to accept 2014 Thiel Fellow.
This week, in a special edition of Curious Minds, I share interviews with four young people, ages 18-22, each of whom decided either to drop out or never attend college, in order to pursue work that mattered to them. Each is either a current or past recipient of a Thiel Fellowship, a program founded in 2011 by Peter Thiel to encourage young people to sidestep college and a traditional life path, in order to chart their own course as entrepreneurs.
In this episode you will hear Alex talk about:
what he learned about failure
how pursuing work that mattered meant doing something that shocked even him
how to create communities for your passions
the difference between a life of extrinsic versus intrinsic motivation
the importance of living with uncertainty as you pursue your goals
the power of surrounding yourself with passionate people
our responsibility to make things relevant for ourselves
the reasons that we lose our creativity
his attraction to what tomorrow holds
Episode Links
Interroga Omnia
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Nov 30, 2015 • 28min
CM 010: Thiel Fellow Jihad Kawas on Young Entrepreneurs
Jihad Kawas started his company, Saily, when he was 16 years old growing up in Lebanon. Now, two years later, after a recent public launch, his app has over 140,000 U.S. users and is gaining over 1,000 new users daily. Jihad is a 2015 Thiel Fellow who never attended college. Along the way, he was awarded a Forbes 30 Under 30 Scholarship, took first place at an MIT Social Innovation Camp, and has been a TEDx Talk speaker.
This week, in a special edition of Curious Minds, I share interviews with four young people, ages 18-22, each of whom decided either to drop out or never attend college, in order to pursue work that mattered. Each is either a current or past recipient of a Thiel Fellowship, a program founded in 2011 by Peter Thiel to encourage young people to sidestep college and a traditional life path, in order to chart their own course as entrepreneurs.
In this episode you will learn:
how building things as a young person led him to where he is today
why parents need to let their children build real, meaningful things
his beliefs regarding the impact of parents, families, and schools on young people
ways even cutting-edge schools have rules and policies that constrain
how he viewed school as something to get through in order to pursue his passion
the power of having to develop a pitch to persuade and convince
the funny way he found out about the Thiel Fellows program
what it is like to be an 18-year-old Thiel Fellow and company founder
how the success and accomplishments of his peers spur him on
how he spends his time
about the constant battle he faces with uncertainty and doubt
about his advice for young people
what he is curious about today
Episode Links
Project-based Learning
Apple Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC)
TEDx Talk by Jihad Kawas
Silicon Valley TV show
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Nov 30, 2015 • 30min
CM 009: Thiel Fellow Charlie Stigler on College and Career
At the age of 16, Charlie Stigler built SelfControl, an app designed to block out online distractions. It has been downloaded by millions. Encouraged by that success, two years later, Charlie founded a successful ed tech company, Zaption, which rethinks the use of video for learning. He did both before the ink was dry on his high school diploma.
After graduation, Charlie did what everyone expected him to do. He headed off to college at Columbia University. Two years later, even he was surprised when he decided to drop out and become a Thiel Fellow in 2012.
This week, in a special edition of Curious Minds, I share interviews with four young people, ages 18-22, each of whom decided either to drop out or never attend college, in order to pursue work that mattered. Each is either a current or past recipient of a Thiel Fellowship, a program founded in 2011 by Peter Thiel to encourage young people to sidestep college and a traditional life path, in order to chart their own course as entrepreneurs.
In this episode you will hear:
how the projects that got Charlie into college were the very things he had to give up once he got there
ways friends and family responded to his decision to choose a different path
what exposure to can-do, will-do entrepreneurs helped him see
what we lose when everything is done for us
how he learned to decide what structure looked like for him
how his real learning was taking place outside of high school and college
how high school did not support independent entrepreneurial thinking
advice for young people
how we delay and support young people in not knowing what they want to do rather than encouraging them to find out and supporting that
how technology and artificial intelligence and the rapid pace of change is helping us rethink our shoulds
Episode Links
Steve Lambert
James Stigler
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Nov 23, 2015 • 24min
CM 008: Mona Patel on What Drives Great Design
Design thinking and creativity are like muscles: we all have them, but they are more useful when they are strengthened! In this bestselling book Reframe: Shift the Way You Work, Innovate, and Think, Mona Patel gives you the perfect exercises for your design workout, giving you the tools you need to unleash your inner designer.
Mona is a regular contributor to Fast Company, Time Magazine, and Forbes, and she is the founder and CEO of Motivate Design. Mona is also an adjunct professor at Parsons School of Design. In this episode, she explains the ways design thinking informs her life and her work, and she shares some of the strategies she uses with friends, family, colleagues, and clients.
In addition, you will learn:
how to unleash your creativity through design thinking
why everyone can be creative
creative openers you can use with your teams
questions that actually limit our creativity
how to push people to create something better without making them feel bad
the most important question for designing solutions
which assumptions hold us back
what it is like to be a woman of color leading a design company
the power of a design-centered culture in the workplace
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Episode Links
Four-C Model of Creativity by James Kaufman and Ronald Beghetto
TEDx Talk by Mona Patel
Ethnography
Kodak
Excuse Personas
White Space
Project Greenlight
Human-centered Design
Woman and Minority Owned Business
Maslow Hierarchy of Needs

Nov 16, 2015 • 30min
CM 007: Janice Kaplan on How Gratitude Changes Your Life
What happens when you dedicate a year of your life to practicing gratitude? Maybe everything.
In this groundbreaking new book, The Gratitude Diaries: How a Year Looking on the Bright Side Can Transform Your Life, Janice Kaplan explains the science behind the power of gratitude. The author of twelve books, including The New York Times bestselling memoir, I will See you Again, Janice was an award-winning producer at ABC-TV Good Morning America, Executive Producer of the TV Guide Television Group, and Editor-in-Chief of Parade Magazine.
In this episode, Janice explains the surprising, counterintuitive connection between gratitude and happiness. She also shares simple steps we can take today to increase the amount of gratitude we express and how doing it can change your life.
In this episode, you will learn:
how a mindset of gratitude gives us control over our own happiness
simple steps you can take to express gratitude right now with family and friends
the mental and physical health benefits of practicing gratitude
the connection between gratitude and experiences over stuff
the importance of gratitude at work, and how it can drive purpose and ambition
how gratitude gets us beyond the comparison game
the differences between intentional and reactive gratitude
how gratitude plays an important role in rebounding from life tragedies
the power of a gratitude diet
how we have so much more control over our happiness than we think
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Episode Links
John Templeton Foundation
National Gratitude Survey
TSA
Habituation
Massachusetts General Hospital
Tom Gilovich
Paul Piff
Monopoly game
Daniel Gilbert
David Steindl Rast

Nov 9, 2015 • 33min
CM 006: Mick Ebeling on How to Achieve the Impossible
Mick Ebeling is the Founder of Not Impossible Labs, an online crowdsourcing platform that dramatically improves the lives of millions by creating low-cost, open-source, and do-it-yourself devices. For example, through a combination of marking and hacking, Not Impossible Labs developed 150-dollar devices that helped people with ALS communicate with loved ones for the first time in years, as well as prosthetic limbs for Sudanese children for as low as 50 dollars.
The philosophy of Not Impossible Labs is to help one to help many, that is, to create a life-changing solution for one person, and then think about how to scale it. He describes these innovations in the bestselling book Not Impossible: The Art and Joy of Doing What Could Not Be Done.
Mick was deemed one of the Top 50 Most Creative People in 2014 by Advertising Age. He was also the recipient of the 2014 Muhammad Ali Humanitarian of the Year Award. In this interview, he shares the circumstances that launched Not Impossible Labs and that led to his book. He talks about the people whose problems he committed to solve and the hacking, making and do-it-yourself approaches he and his fellow innovators used to do just that.
In this episode, you will learn:
how to commit first to achieve the impossible
how a 150-dollar EyeWriter helped a renowned artist with ALS draw again
how 3D printers revolutionized life for Sudanese youth
the importance of making and hacking for solving real-world problems
how to empower young people to embrace a Not Impossible mindset
how seeking solutions helps us make creative connections
Mick also shares several of the new projects his organization has underway, and he talks about ways Not Impossible Labs is bridging the gap between makers and problem solvers.
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Episode Links
Mick Ebeling TED Talk
Street Art
Tony Tempt One Quan
Tempt One Foundation
Stephen Hawking
Time Magazine Top 25 Inventions
MoMA
EyeWriter
Optical character technology
Open source
The BrainWriter
Cameron Rodriguez
ALS or Lou Gehrig Disease
Triangulation
Consumer EEG Devices
Project Daniel
Dr. Tom Catena
Precipart
Richard Van As
Gait Trainer