

Curious Minds at Work
Gayle Allen
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
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Mar 16, 2020 • 51min
CM 157: Kate Murphy On How To Listen
Discover the impact of active listening on relationships, careers, and health with insights from Kate Murphy. Reconsider your questions to truly connect with others. Dive into the power of genuine listening, empathy in conversations, and building relationships through attentive listening. Improve your listening skills by embracing silence, managing inner voice, and asking meaningful questions for deeper connections.

Mar 1, 2020 • 52min
CM 156: Lydia Denworth on the Science of Friendship
What actions would you take if you knew how important friendships were for your health?
Most of us recognize that friendships play an important role in our lives. Yet few of us realize how crucial they are for our health and well-being.
In this interview, Lydia Denworth, author of the book, Friendship: The Evolution, Biology, and Extraordinary Power of Life's Fundamental Bond, shares fascinating research on the science of friendship. She argues that, "Friendship is as important as diet and exercise for both our psychological and physical health."
In our conversation, Lydia explains ways of assessing whether our friendships are healthy. She also describes the neuroscience of friendship. For example, she discusses a remarkable study where researchers looked at participants' brain patterns while watching snippets of different videos. Their analysis yielded a surprising finding, as Lydia explains, "Just by looking at the brain processing, they could predict who was friends with who."
Lydia Denworth is a contributing editor for Scientific American, writes the Brain Waves blog for Psychology Today, and is the author of two previous books, Toxic Truth and I Can Hear You Whisper. Her work has appeared in publications that include, The Atlantic, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal.
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John Bowlby and Robert Hinde
Jane Goodall and Dian Fossey
The Social Brain
Lisa Berkman
Framingham Heart Study and Alameda County Study
James House
John T. Cacioppo and Steve Cole
Social Neuroscience
Evolutionary Mechanisms for Loneliness
Popular by Mitch Prinstein
Amboseli Baboon Research Project and Jeanne Altmann and Susan Alberts
The Amazing Monkey Island in Puerto Rico - Cayo Santiago
Your Brain Reveals Who Your Friends Are
What Makes a Good Life TED Talk with Robert Waldinger and Arlie Bock
If You Liked This Episode You Might Also Enjoy:
Episode 150: Marc Brackett on Permission to Feel
Episode 148: Adam Waytz on the Power of Human
Episode 90: Dan Heath on Creating Moments that Matter
Episode 84: Mitch Prinstein on How Popularity Shapes Our Lives
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Feb 16, 2020 • 58min
CM 155: Jenny Odell on How to Do Nothing
As we increasingly equate human worth with productivity, what does it mean to do nothing?
That's the question Jenny Odell explores in her book, How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy. In it, she deftly draws on the work of artists, laborers, and writers, past and present, to discuss how others have grappled with this question.
In attempting to clarify what she means by doing nothing, Jenny asks, "What's the difference between being allowed to be open...observant...reflective versus...constantly express[ing]...one's rage and anger...what if there's a part of you that deserves to remain unspoken, unarticulated in the moment?"
In this conversation, Jenny offers ways to resist the attention economy, but she's careful to avoid easy answers. Though she acknowledges how privilege gives some of us more options to resist than others, she emphasizes how all of us, privileged or not, operate within this productivity-obsessed system.
The fallout from our always-on culture is often exhaustion and anxiety, both of which Jenny sees in her students. She explains, "I can tell my students, 'Oh, just get better at time management.' That might help in some ways, but it's not going to help the...problem of this culture of productivity that was never humane to begin with."
Jenny Odell is an artist, writer, and educator who teaches at Stanford University. She has been an artist-in-residence at the San Francisco dump, Facebook, the Internet Archive, and the San Francisco Planning Department, and she has exhibited her art all over the world.
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Eyeo Festival 2017 - Jenny Odell
Gordon Hempton
Radical Technologies by Adam Greenfield
The Genius of Birds by Jennifer Ackerman
Getting Back Together by Robert Houriet
Walden Two by B. F. Skinner
Thomas Merton
Pilvi Takala - The Trainee
Tehching Hsieh
Diogenes
Bartleby, the Scrivener
Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport
1934 West Coast Longshoreman's Strike
Laborfest
David Hockney
4'33" by John Cage
Peter Stephen Berg, bioregionalist
Rebecca Solnit
Janet Delaney, photographer
iNaturalist app
If You Liked This Interview, You Might Also Enjoy:
Cal Newport on Digital Minimalism
Emily Esfahani Smith on Creating a Meaningful Life
Tim Wu on Reclaiming Our Attention
Matthew Crawford on Individuality in an Age of Distraction
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Feb 3, 2020 • 37min
CM 154: Laura Huang On Finding Your Edge
What happens when you actively shape how you're seen, rather than leaving it to chance?
At some point, many of us have felt overlooked, underestimated, or even ignored in our work. We may have responded by putting our heads down and working that much harder, in the hope that someone would finally recognize our talents and skills.
Yet working harder can leave us feeling frustrated, especially when our efforts fail to change other people's perceptions. Harvard Business School Professor Laura Huang explains, "A lot of times, we think our hard work is going to speak for itself, but often we find that it doesn't. Even when we've proven ourselves and shown the ability to...provide value...we continue to have to guide the perceptions of others."
Laura is author of the book, Edge: Turning Adversity into Advantage. In this interview, she explains why we need to shape how others see us. She asserts, "People are perceiving and making attributions...all the time. If you realize...somebody's making an incorrect attribution about you, changing that...is...difficult. It's more difficult than if you...direct [it] from the get go."
Laura has been named one of the 40 Best Business School Professors Under the Age of 40. Her work has been featured in The Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, and Nature.
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@LauraHuangLA
When Its Okay to Trust Your Gut on a Big Decision
Dave Dahl of Dave's Killer Bread
Reinforcements: How to Get People to Help You by Heidi Grant
If you Liked This Episode, You Might Also Enjoy:
Brian Gunia on a Fresh Approach to Negotiation
Rob Walker on the Art of Noticing
Heidi Grant on the Science of Asking for Help
Dan McGinn Performing Under Pressure
Andy Molinsky on Overcoming Your Fears
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Jan 20, 2020 • 43min
CM 153: Janelle Shane on How Artificial Intelligence Works
What happens when you teach an AI to write knock-knock jokes, recipes, and pick-up lines?
It's a rare week that goes by without someone talking about the power, and the perils, of artificial intelligence. But if you're not an expert in machine learning, how do you separate fact from fiction? That's where Janelle Shane's expertise comes in.
Janelle is the author of the book, You Look Like a Thing and I Love You: How Artificial Intelligence Works and Why It's Making the World a Weirder Place. As she describes how an AI learns, she reveals the gap between what researchers strive to do and what's currently possible. Janelle explains, "The AI in science fiction is almost exclusively this kind of human level, general AI, that's really smart, at least as smart as a human, and then the stuff we have in the real world is a lot simpler."
Janelle runs amusing AI experiments, in order to learn how machine learning works and where its limits begin. She shares stories of what happened when she trained AIs to tell knock-knock jokes, invent new recipes, and write pick-up lines. Along the way, she describes the ups and the downs of working with AIs to solve problems: "The pro is you might get an answer that you didn't expect. The con is also that you might get an answer that you didn't expect."
Janelle's work has appeared in publications like The New York Times, Slate, The New Yorker, The Atlantic, and many more. In addition, she keeps readers up to date on recent projects and AI hilarity on her website, aiweirdness.com.
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aiweirdness.com
Erik Goodman
Artificial You: AI and the Future of Your Mind by Susan Schneider
An AI Expert Explains Why There's Always a Giraffe in Artificial Intelligence
GPT-2
An Artificial Intelligence Predicts the Future
On the Life Cycle of Software Objects by Ted Chiang
If You Enjoyed this Episode, You Might Also Like:
Kartik Hosanagar on How Algorithms Shape Our Lives
Susan Schneider on the Future of Your Mind
Adam Waytz on the Power of Human
Kat Holmes on the Power of Inclusive Design
Caroline Criado Perez on Invisible Women
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Jan 7, 2020 • 49min
CM 152: Wendy Wood on the Science of Habits
What if our success was less about channeling willpower and more about building sustainable habits?
Too often, when we think about goals we've failed to achieve, we blame it on a lack of willpower. Yet research has shown when we rely primarily on willpower, we're bound to fail. Willpower takes energy, and it's when our energy stores are at their lowest that we need it the most. That's when we default to our old habits, the ones we most want to change. They require a lot less energy because they've become automatic.
If that's the case, what can we do?
Wendy Wood, author of the book, Good Habits, Bad Habits: The Science of Making Positive Changes that Stick, can help. Professor of Psychology and Business at the University of Southern California, she's studied the science of habits for decades.
To begin, Wendy argues we need to give ourselves the time we need to develop new habits. We need time for our habits to become unconscious. She explains that, "People who have high levels of self-control, they don't report being distracted by temptations. They don't even see the temptations anymore because they are on autopilot."
Drawing on decades of research, Wendy shares concrete ways we can form new habits. One of these involves environment, especially proximity. For example, researchers found that people who drove around three miles to the gym went five times as often as those who traveled five miles. Wendy shares, "It's not like the people who went five times a month were necessarily more motivated. The big difference here is the distance they had to travel. So making it easy for you to repeat a behavior seems to be key."
Wendy has written for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times, and her work has been featured in The New York Times, Time magazine, and on NPR.
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@ProfWendyWood
http://goodhabitsbadhabits.org/
Hyperfocus by Chris Bailey
If You Like This Episode, You Might Also Enjoy:
James Clear on Making and Breaking Habits
Chris Bailey on Overcoming Distraction
John Zeratsky on Creating Time for Things that Matter
Laura Vanderkam on Getting More Done
Morten Hansen on Working Smarter
Sean Young on the Science of Changing Your Life
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Dec 24, 2019 • 1h
CM 151: James Clear on Making and Breaking Habits – Rebroadcast
We all have trouble changing our habits, but the problem isn't us. It's our systems.
Whether we want to adopt good habits or avoid bad ones, we need to think beyond willpower or setting bigger goals. According to James Clear, author of the book, Atomic Habits: An Easy and Proven Way to Build Good Habits and Break Bad Ones, we need to design a system of small, repeatable habits. James challenges us to ask, "How can we make...small changes...little one percent improvements...and in the process of integrating them...into a larger system, end up making some really remarkable progress?"
In this interview, James shares findings from the latest research, in order to teach us how to design simple systems that support game-changing habits. In particular, he explains how we can leverage our environments and even our addictive tendencies to our advantage. And he helps us see how a commitment to daily habit change, no matter how small, can lead to a new identity: "Every action you take is like a vote for the person you want to become...doing one pushup or writing one sentence or reading one page...cast[s] a vote for being that kind of person, for reinforcing that identity."
James is an author and speaker focused on habits, decision-making, and continuous improvement. His work has appeared in The New York Times, Entrepreneur, and on CBS This Morning.
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@JamesClear
Identity-Based Habits: How to Actually Stick to Your Goals This Year
The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg
Hooked by Nir Eyal
The Slight Edge by Jeff Olson
Daily Rituals: How Artists Work by Mason Currey
Point and Call video
Habit Scorecard
How to Improve Your Health and Productivity Without Thinking
Stick with It by Sean Young
The Mistake Smart People Make: Being in Motion vs Taking Action
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Dec 9, 2019 • 37min
CM 150: Marc Brackett on Permission to Feel
How can recognizing, understanding, and managing our emotions contribute to our happiness, success, and well-being?
Emotions play a big role in our lives. Yet, for most of us, they're viewed as something to ignore or overcome. For these reasons, we often have little experience identifying our feelings. We say we're stressed out, when what we may actually be feeling is frustration, anger, or even disappointment.
While the distinction between stress and frustration may seem slight, it's actually enormous. Marc Brackett, author of the book, Permission to Feel: Unlocking the Power of Emotions to Help Our Kids, Ourselves, and Our Society Thrive, explains: "Imagine how many of us...don't really have clarity about what we're feeling, and feel uncomfortable talking about those feelings, don't know how to regulate them. It's a disaster really. It's why so many people are unhappy."
Marc shares a tool to help us more accurately identify our emotions, so that we can work with them more effectively. This tool is part of a framework he's developed to help us live fuller and happier lives. He shares that his bigger goal for this work is to "create an emotion revolution," in order to "ensure that everyone has permission to feel."
Marc is the Founding Director of the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence and a professor in the Child Study Center at Yale University. He's published over a hundred scholarly articles on the role of emotions and emotional intelligence in learning, decision making, and performance, and he consults regularly with organizations like Facebook, Microsoft, and Google.
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@marcbrackett
marcbrackett.com
RULER
Mood Meter
Emotional Agility by Susan David
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Nov 25, 2019 • 56min
CM 149: Jamil Zaki on the Science of Empathy – Rebroadcast
In a world where empathy is in decline, how can we learn to care more?
If you sense we're less empathetic today than decades past, you're right. Studies show there's been a 48 percent decline in empathy between 1979 and 2009. Though human beings are wired to care about each other, we need the right conditions for those feelings to grow.
Jamil Zaki, author of the book, The War for Kindness: Building Empathy in a Fractured World, argues that a shift to online interactions and urban living has made relationships more "narrow, transactional, and anonymous." He explains that in this kind of environment, it's "really not great soil for empathy to grow."
But there is hope. Jamil's research reveals that empathy is a skill we can develop through training and that this training can leave us feeling not only more empathetic, but also kinder. Dedicated practice can also change the brain. Jamil shares that it can grow "parts of the brain...associated with the experience of empathy."
Jamil Zaki is Professor of Psychology at Stanford University and Director of the Stanford Social Neuroscience Lab. His writing has appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New Yorker, and The Atlantic.
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@zakijam
The Influential Mind by Tali Sharot
Carol Dweck
Tania Singer
London taxi drivers and brain science
Gordon Allport
Contact hypothesis
Emile Bruneau
Nicholas Epley
When Cops Choose Empathy by Jamil Zaki
Jason A. Okonofua
Elizabeth Levy Paluck
Jeremy Bailenson
Eve Ekman
Kari Leibowitz
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Nov 11, 2019 • 43min
CM 148: Adam Waytz on the Power of Human
What if the very tech that connects us is taking away our need to interact?
Technology connects us to more people than ever before. Yet, as Adam Waytz, author of the book, The Power of Human: How Our Shared Humanity Can Help Us Create a Better World, points out, the data shows we're interacting with one another a whole lot less.
We can turn to our apps for restaurant recommendations and our social media platforms for insights into our friends' lives. And we can do all this without ever having to directly communicate with anyone. Adam believes this lack of human interaction is taking its toll. He contends that, "...people are becoming less engaged with each other, which then manifests in things like income inequality, political polarization...treating people as more members of a market economy...versus members of a community."
To counter these tendencies, he believes we need to bring more meaning to work. In particular, he recommends, "Getting people to think about the way their work impacts other people..." Doing so helps people "...feel like their work matters and ultimately make[s] them feel more human, even as we see automation creeping around us."
Adam is an Associate Professor of Management and Organizations and a social psychologist at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management.
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adamwaytz.com
What Money Can't Buy: The Moral Limit of Markets by Michael J. Sandel
Social Empathy: The Art of Understanding Others by Elizabeth Segal
Mistakenly Seeking Solitude by Nicholas Epley and Juliana Schroeder
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