

Curious Minds at Work
Gayle Allen
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
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Jun 22, 2020 • 43min
CM 164: Stanislas Dehaene On How We Learn
What are the skills that can help us learn new things more quickly and efficiently?
Our ability to learn sets us apart from other species. Yet few of us understand how to maximize this ability.
Stanislas Dehaene, Director of the NeuroSpin Brain Imaging Center in Saclay, France, and Professor of Experimental Cognitive Psychology at the College de France, can help. In his latest book, How We Learn: Why Brains Learn Better Than Any Machine...for Now, he explains how the human brain is designed for learning. Next, he shares exactly what we need to optimize our learning.
Sleep is one example. We know it's important, but we may not know just how critical it is for learning. Stanislas explains, "So we re-learn, we replay during sleep, the things we've begun to learn during the day. In this way, we are able to multiple the learning examples."
At the same time, we may not be aware of what Stanislas calls "the secret ingredients of successful learning." These are the four pillars that, when present, speed up the learning process, namely, attention, active engagement, error feedback, and consolidation.
Finally, Stanislas explains the connections between artificial intelligence and the human brain. Though he's convinced that future AIs will surpass the capabilities of the human brain, he readily shares just how amazing our brains are: "I don't think that the brain is intrinsically better than machines. I think the brain is an extraordinary machine."
Stanislas has written extensively on the topic of human learning. His previous books include, Reading in the Brain, Consciousness and the Brain, and The Number Sense.
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Reader, Come Home: The Reading Brain in a Digital World by Maryanne Wolf
Explicit Memory Creation During Sleep Demonstrates a Causal Role of Place Cells in Navigation by G. de Lavilleon, M. M. Lacroix, L. Rondi-Reig, and K. Benchenane
Coordinated Memory Replay in the Visual Cortex and Hippocampus During Sleep by Daoyun Ji and Matthew A. Wilson
Error-correction Learning for Artificial Neural Networks Using the Bayesian Paradigm by Smaranda Belciug and Florin Gorunescu
Infants Grasp Gravity with Innate Sense of Physics by Joseph Castro
Community-induced Memory Biases in Preverbal Infants by Jennifer M. D. Yoon, Mark H. Johnson and Gergely Csibra
Illiterate to Literate: Behavioural and Cerebral Changes Induced by Reading Acquisition by S. Dehaene, L. Cohen, J. Morais, and R. Kolinsky
Seymour Papert
Alexander Grothendieck
National Education Scientific Council
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Jun 8, 2020 • 56min
CM 163: Frances Frei on Leadership
What if leaders spent less time building themselves up and more time building up others?
When leaders face challenges, they're often encouraged to take a long, hard look in the mirror. Frances Frei, co-author with Anne Morriss of the book, Unleashed: The Unapologetic Leader's Guide to Empowering Everyone Around You, agrees that leaders need to take responsibility. But she thinks they should replace the mirror with a window.
To do that, leaders must shift away from looking at themselves and, instead, empower their teams. She explains what this looks like: "If I walk into a room, and I'm thinking about me, and everybody else is thinking about me, then I'm not doing a good job. I want to walk into the room and be thinking about everyone else. I want to be thinking about how to unleash greatness in everyone else."
As part of unleashing team members' greatness, Frances believes leaders must also grow their team members. And when team members aren't growing, leaders need to understand why. That's where self-assessment tools can be helpful. For example, she shares a tool that can help leaders understand why they may be losing their team's trust.
She also shares a tool that helps leaders determine whether a team member's underperformance is a result of their own behavior or organizational bias. When it comes to organizational bias, she points out that when "there are demographic patterns associated with who's thriving, it's super clear whose fault it is...no question the firm is doing something. Not on purpose. They're probably hitting something with their tail, but we have to fix it."
Frances Frei is a Professor at Harvard Business School, and she recently served as Uber's first Senior Vice President of Leadership and Strategy. She regularly works with companies on organizational transformation, including embracing diversity and inclusion as levers for improved performance. Her TED Talk on Building Trust has been viewed four million times.
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Valerius Maximus
Emma Dench
The Connector Manager by Sari Wilde and Jaime Roca
Lesbians in Tech
1844 Conway Ekpo Black Male Lawyers
Grace Hopper AnitaB.org
Stacy Brown-Philpot
Harvard Business School Gender Initiative
The Field Method at Harvard Business School
Youngme Moon
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May 25, 2020 • 52min
CM 162: Don Moore On How To Be Perfectly Confident
What if the biggest barrier to our success wasn't a lack of confidence but overconfidence?
We tend to associate a high degree of confidence with success. In fact, most of us believe it's a requirement for achieving our goals. Yet extensive research led Don Moore, author of the book, Perfectly Confident: How to Calibrate Your Decisions Wisely, to conclude that "the evidence for that relationship...is shockingly weak."
Instead, Don argues, it's about striking a balance between under confidence and overconfidence, and he shares a helpful technique called probabilistic thinking to help us do just that. To illustrate this point, he explains how he and his fiance used this approach to plan their wedding.
After realizing that their guest list far exceeded the 125 chairs available in the reception venue, they knew they needed a strategy. Rather than remove names from the list, they estimated the likelihood of each guest attending. That helped them decide how many invitations to send.
Don explains, "We went through that long list, summing up the probabilities across individuals. It got us to 127, so we sent out the invitations right away. The actual number who said 'yes' was 126, so we found one more chair and were happily married."
Don Moore is a Professor of Management of Organizations at the University of California at Berkeley's Haas School of Business. He is also co-author of the book, Judgment in Managerial Decision Making, and he's written for publications like, The New Yorker, the Wall Street Journal, and Harvard Business Review.
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Max Bazerman
5 Tips for Calibrating Your Confidence by Laura Counts
The Wisdom of Crowds by James Surowiecki
The Intelligence Trap by David Robson
Thinking in Bets by Annie Duke
Too Optimistic about Optimism
Why Decisions Fail by Paul Nutt
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May 11, 2020 • 46min
CM 161: Eitan Hersh On Making Real Change
What if the way we engage in politics today works against the changes we seek?
One-third of Americans say they spend at least two hours a day on politics. But according to Eitan Hersh, author of the book, Politics is for Power: How to Move beyond Political Hobbyism, Take Action, and Make Real Change, most of that time is spent consuming news, posting to social media, and signing online petitions.
Eitan labels these kinds of isolated, predominantly online behaviors "political hobbyism," and he contrasts them with the kinds of activities that can drive real change. He explains that politics "...is about getting power for the things you care about, working with others, having goals, having strategies, and that's just not what's going on for most people who are cognitively engaged in politics."
Eitan's book is a primer for anyone who wants to effect political change. In it, he shares inspiring stories of ordinary people working to change the world through everyday political participation.
He also shares steps he's taken to overcome his own political hobbyism and the empathy he has for others like him. He says, "They start thinking of all the excuses in their head for why they shouldn't do things differently: 'I don't have time.' 'I'm not very ideological.' Or whatever their excuses are. Hey, I know those excuses -- those are mine! Here's how I kind of got past them."
Eitan Hersh is an Associate Professor in the Department of Political Science and at the Tisch College of Civic Life at Tufts University. He researches and teaches on the topics of civic participation, U.S. elections, and voting rights.
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@eitanhersh
Political Hobbyism: A Theory of Mass Behavior by Eitan D. Hersh
We All Really Need to Do Hard Things - the story of Lisa Mann - by Eitan Hersh
Changing the Conversation Together (CTC) a deep canvassing organization
7 Questions with Dave Fleischer on Deep Canvassing
Lilliana Mason
You're More Powerful Than You Think by Eric Liu
Angela Aldous story as discussed in Power, Friendship, and Some Democratic Rules by Russell Arben Fox
Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam
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Apr 27, 2020 • 33min
CM 160: Olga Khazan on the Upside of Being Weird
What if we transformed the word weird from an insult to a badge of honor?
When we call someone "weird," it's rarely positive. Growing up as a self-described "weirdo," Olga Khazan, author of the book, Weird: The Power of Being an Outsider in an Insider World, decided to explore the upside of being an outsider.
Olga interviewed dozens of successful people who'd been labeled "weird" at some point in their lives because of characteristics like their profession, race, religion or sexual orientation. She chose to speak with "people who had struggles and some challenges because they are so different from everyone around them...people who it wasn't such a clear-cut, straight to the top trajectory."
What Olga noticed was that some "weirdos" readily shrugged off the label, while others found it harder to overcome. That got her curious about the outsiders who thrived, the ones who were more creative, adaptable, and resourceful. What set them apart?
In describing what helped these outsiders succeed, Olga reveals a number of traits. One of them centers on how effective they are at convincing others to listen to their ideas. She says, "If you want to get someone to buy into a crazy idea you have, a really weird idea, you [have] to give them a normal idea first."
Olga Khazan is a staff writer for The Atlantic, where she covers health, gender, and science. She has written for publications like, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and Forbes, and was a two-time recipient of the International Reporting Project's Journalism Fellowship. She was also winner of the 2017 National Headliner Awards for Magazine Online Writing.
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@olgakhazan
https://olgakhazan.com/
Rule Makers, Rule Breakers by Michele Gelfand
Henri Tajfel, influential social psychology researcher in the areas of prejudice and social identity theory
Let Your Workers Rebel by Francesca Gino
The Behavioral Immune System: How Unconscious Fears of Infection Shape Many Aspects of Our Psychology by Mark Schaller
Vivienne Ming
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Apr 13, 2020 • 47min
CM 159: Wayne Baker On The Power of Asking
How much of a role can asking others for help play in achieving our goals?
It turns out, quite a bit. In fact, research shows that we're more likely to achieve success if we make asking for help a part of our strategy. Yet, according to Wayne Baker, author of the book, All You Have to Do Is Ask: How to Master the Most Important Skill for Success, most of us rarely do.
There are a number of reasons why. One of the most common is our fear that we'll be seen as incompetent. Another is our assumption that we'll be rejected when we ask. Yet research reveals what tends to happen is the opposite. Wayne explains, "The research shows very clearly that even strangers are very likely to help...so, you start with the assumption that most people will help you if they can, and they want to help you."
In this interview, Wayne describes tools we can use to get better at asking for help. He even shares the story of putting one of these tools to work for a very special ask of his own -- his tenth wedding anniversary. In fact, his ask led to him giving his wife a surprise ring on national television. Wayne explains, "I had it in my pocket, and I asked them for permission to give it to her. And they let me do it, on air. It was amazing...It was just this incredible experience."
Wayne Baker is Professor of Management and Organizations at the University of Michigan Ross School of Business and Professor of Sociology at the University of Michigan. He is also faculty director of the Center for Positive Organizations and co-founder and board member of Give and Take. His writing has appeared in publications like, Harvard Business Review, Chief Executive Magazine, and MIT Sloan Management Review.
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@DrWayneBaker
https://allyouhavetodoisask.com/
Heather Currier Hunt of IDEO
Center for Positive Organizations
Givitas - Give and Take
Amy Edmondson
Troika Consulting
Reciprocity Ring
Stand-up Meeting: The Definitive Guide
On the Folly of Rewarding A, While Hoping for B by Steve Kerr
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Mar 30, 2020 • 58min
CM 158: Emily Balcetis On How To Achieve Success
What if knowing how successful people see the world could help us achieve our goals?
When we see people achieving their goals, we may be tempted to give up. We tell ourselves they have advantages we lack, like more time, and maybe even traits we lack, like a better work ethic. While both may be true, what if there's a different reason they succeed, one that has to do with how they see their goals?
That's what Emily Balcetis, Associate Professor of Psychology at New York University and author of the book, Clearer, Closer, Better: How Successful People See the World, set out to discover. For example, in an innovative study of visualizing goals in order to choose which ones to pursue, she asked women to shop in a different kind of store. She explains that, "On the shelves, they saw paper bags with labels...hours for a work week...[number of] kids...compensation packages...all different facets of life that they had thought about in that survey were now made concrete."
Emily learned that making deliberate and strategic choices about how we visualize our goals can dramatically improve our chance of achieving them. Her findings reveal four visual tactics we can use to do just that.
One of these, "narrow your focus," is something elite runners do. In a study on exercise, Emily taught participants this skill and the results were fascinating. Emily shares that, "People who were taught to narrow their focus of attention...took more steps when they went out for each...walk, they moved faster in the same of time, and they went out more often for walks or runs in the week that followed."
Emily's work has been featured in The Atlantic, Scientific American, NPR, and Forbes. She's received awards from organizations like, the International Society for Self and Identity and the Foundation for Personality and Social Psychology.
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Anish Kapoor
Hal Hershfield
Procrastination, Deadlines, and Performance: Self-Control by Pre-Commitment by Dan Ariely
Dear Data by Giorgia Lupi and Stefanie Posavec
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Mar 16, 2020 • 51min
CM 157: Kate Murphy On How To Listen
Discover the impact of active listening on relationships, careers, and health with insights from Kate Murphy. Reconsider your questions to truly connect with others. Dive into the power of genuine listening, empathy in conversations, and building relationships through attentive listening. Improve your listening skills by embracing silence, managing inner voice, and asking meaningful questions for deeper connections.

Mar 1, 2020 • 52min
CM 156: Lydia Denworth on the Science of Friendship
What actions would you take if you knew how important friendships were for your health?
Most of us recognize that friendships play an important role in our lives. Yet few of us realize how crucial they are for our health and well-being.
In this interview, Lydia Denworth, author of the book, Friendship: The Evolution, Biology, and Extraordinary Power of Life's Fundamental Bond, shares fascinating research on the science of friendship. She argues that, "Friendship is as important as diet and exercise for both our psychological and physical health."
In our conversation, Lydia explains ways of assessing whether our friendships are healthy. She also describes the neuroscience of friendship. For example, she discusses a remarkable study where researchers looked at participants' brain patterns while watching snippets of different videos. Their analysis yielded a surprising finding, as Lydia explains, "Just by looking at the brain processing, they could predict who was friends with who."
Lydia Denworth is a contributing editor for Scientific American, writes the Brain Waves blog for Psychology Today, and is the author of two previous books, Toxic Truth and I Can Hear You Whisper. Her work has appeared in publications that include, The Atlantic, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal.
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John Bowlby and Robert Hinde
Jane Goodall and Dian Fossey
The Social Brain
Lisa Berkman
Framingham Heart Study and Alameda County Study
James House
John T. Cacioppo and Steve Cole
Social Neuroscience
Evolutionary Mechanisms for Loneliness
Popular by Mitch Prinstein
Amboseli Baboon Research Project and Jeanne Altmann and Susan Alberts
The Amazing Monkey Island in Puerto Rico - Cayo Santiago
Your Brain Reveals Who Your Friends Are
What Makes a Good Life TED Talk with Robert Waldinger and Arlie Bock
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Episode 148: Adam Waytz on the Power of Human
Episode 90: Dan Heath on Creating Moments that Matter
Episode 84: Mitch Prinstein on How Popularity Shapes Our Lives
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Feb 16, 2020 • 58min
CM 155: Jenny Odell on How to Do Nothing
As we increasingly equate human worth with productivity, what does it mean to do nothing?
That's the question Jenny Odell explores in her book, How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy. In it, she deftly draws on the work of artists, laborers, and writers, past and present, to discuss how others have grappled with this question.
In attempting to clarify what she means by doing nothing, Jenny asks, "What's the difference between being allowed to be open...observant...reflective versus...constantly express[ing]...one's rage and anger...what if there's a part of you that deserves to remain unspoken, unarticulated in the moment?"
In this conversation, Jenny offers ways to resist the attention economy, but she's careful to avoid easy answers. Though she acknowledges how privilege gives some of us more options to resist than others, she emphasizes how all of us, privileged or not, operate within this productivity-obsessed system.
The fallout from our always-on culture is often exhaustion and anxiety, both of which Jenny sees in her students. She explains, "I can tell my students, 'Oh, just get better at time management.' That might help in some ways, but it's not going to help the...problem of this culture of productivity that was never humane to begin with."
Jenny Odell is an artist, writer, and educator who teaches at Stanford University. She has been an artist-in-residence at the San Francisco dump, Facebook, the Internet Archive, and the San Francisco Planning Department, and she has exhibited her art all over the world.
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Eyeo Festival 2017 - Jenny Odell
Gordon Hempton
Radical Technologies by Adam Greenfield
The Genius of Birds by Jennifer Ackerman
Getting Back Together by Robert Houriet
Walden Two by B. F. Skinner
Thomas Merton
Pilvi Takala - The Trainee
Tehching Hsieh
Diogenes
Bartleby, the Scrivener
Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport
1934 West Coast Longshoreman's Strike
Laborfest
David Hockney
4'33" by John Cage
Peter Stephen Berg, bioregionalist
Rebecca Solnit
Janet Delaney, photographer
iNaturalist app
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