

Night Owls
John Ellis and Joe Klein
Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.
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Oct 19, 2024 • 1h 1min
Episode 42 (with RIta Singh)
Renowned voice forensics scientist Rita Singh unveils the secrets our voices hold about us, from health indicators to honesty. Journeying from India to Carnegie Mellon, she revolutionizes voice analysis with discoveries like detecting COVID-19 through vocal patterns. Her insights into AI’s role in healthcare promise early disease detection. There's also an intriguing segment on reconstructing historical voices, including Rembrandt's, revealing the fascinating interplay between vocal qualities and identity. Discover how these advancements could shape the future of forensics!

Oct 13, 2024 • 1h 14min
Night Owls Episode 41 (with General David H. Petraeus Ret.)
General David Petraeus (Ret.) talks about the paperback edition of his book, Conflict, written with Andrew Roberts—and brings us up to date on the state of war in Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon and potential wars in Iran and Taiwan.

Oct 3, 2024 • 36min
Night Owls Episode 40
Three topics -- the VP debate, the Middle East and Hurricane Helene -- in 30 minutes. Joe's experience covering the Middle East is on full display.

Sep 29, 2024 • 40min
Episode 39 (Interview with Daron Shaw Part 2)
Part 2: John talked with Daron Shaw, one of the nation’s best pollsters who most people have never heard of. They talked about polling, politics and the presidential election.

Sep 28, 2024 • 34min
Episode 38 (Interview with Daron Shaw Part 1 of 2)
Daron Shaw, a distinguished professor from the University of Texas and a top pollster, shares his insights into the world of polling and politics. He discusses the evolution of survey research, revealing how methodologies have shifted dramatically since the 1990s. Shaw also examines the impact of COVID-19 on voting practices and the rise of micro-targeting in campaigns. Additionally, he highlights California's transformation from Republican dominance to a Democratic majority, while addressing the political challenges facing Texas.

Sep 11, 2024 • 34min
Episode 37 (Post-Debate Analysis)
John and Joe dive into the recent presidential debate, scrutinizing the performances of candidates like Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. They dissect media coverage, especially the contrasting reactions to Trump's controversial statements. A bizarre conspiracy theory about illegal immigrants consuming pets is explored, alongside its impact on the Trump campaign. The lack of focus on crucial issues like national debt and AI in the debate is critiqued. Lastly, they analyze public sentiment towards Biden and Trump, revealing surprising voter hesitations.

Sep 7, 2024 • 1h 9min
Episode 36 (with Paul Vallas)
John and Joe welcome Paul Vallas to the show! Paul Vallas is best known for his innovative work in public education — as superintendent of schools in Chicago and in the all-charter school system in New Orleans — and (most recently) his impressive campaign for Mayor of Chicago (he got 48% of the vote, running against the mighty machine of the Chicago Teachers Union). Joe Klein, who has been campaigning in print against teachers unions for the better part of four decades, conducted the lion's share of the interview.

Aug 30, 2024 • 59min
Episode 35 (with Zoe Liu)
Joe and John interview Zongyuan Zoe Liu, Maurice R. Greenberg senior fellow for China studies at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), about her recent article in Foreign Affairs, "China's Real Economic Crisis."

Aug 25, 2024 • 44min
Episode 34
Joe and John assess the Democratic National Convention, the collapse of RFK Jr.'s presidential campaign, and the rising political influence of the crypto-currency "industry."

Aug 7, 2024 • 37min
Episode 33
Joe and John discuss volatility in the markets and the Middle East...and Kamala Harris's running mate: "Coach" Walz.


