Night Owls

John Ellis and Joe Klein
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Jan 9, 2025 • 17min

Episode 52 (with David Barboza Part 3)

Episode Three: The not-a-partnership partnership of one of the world's greatest entrepreneurs and one of the world's richest men is a case study in modern China. David describes the "partnership" that became the subject of an extraordinary report co-produced by The New York Times and David's news magazine, The Wire China.
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Jan 8, 2025 • 34min

Episode 51 (with David Barboza Part 2)

Episode Two: We begin our conversation with David about China and whether the "Thucydides Trap" can be avoided.
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Jan 8, 2025 • 32min

Episode 50 (with David Barboza Part 1)

Episode One: David Barboza, former Shanghai Bureau Chief for The New York Times, is building a new kind of media company. Call it Bloomberg for China. 
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Dec 28, 2024 • 1h 8min

Episode 49 (with Deb Roy)

In the final episode of our Cortico trilogy, we talked with the company's founder and CEO, Deb Roy, about the future of "building civic muscle" and his roadmap for a national Cortico network. 
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Dec 21, 2024 • 1h 7min

Episode 48 (with Deb Roy and Alex Kelly Berman)

Part two of our conversations with the senior management of Cortico, the platform for "deeper conversations". Featuring Deb Roy and Alex Kelly Berman.
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Dec 11, 2024 • 38min

Episode 47 (With Deb Roy and Kathy Cramer)

Deb Roy, a media arts and sciences professor at MIT and co-founder of Cortico, joins Kathy Cramer, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, to discuss innovative AI systems promoting dialogue. They delve into how technology can elevate underrepresented voices, the effectiveness of smaller group discussions over traditional meetings, and the emotional disconnect felt by rural voters in politics. The conversation emphasizes understanding personal narratives to bridge political divides and create healthier community interactions.
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Dec 4, 2024 • 42min

Episode 46 (with Jane Metcalfe Part 2)

Part Two of our interview with Jane Metclafe, a woman who saw the future clearly. Twice. 
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Dec 3, 2024 • 33min

Episode 45 (with Jane Metcalfe Part 1)

Part One of our interview with Jane Metclafe, a woman who saw the future clearly. Twice. 
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Nov 19, 2024 • 60min

Episode 44 (Barbara Walter)

An interview with University of California San Diego Professor Barbara Walter, whose book -- "How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them" -- examines the risk factors that presage civil wars. Those factors are "anocracy," factionalism, loss of power and loss of hope, all hyper-linked by social media. The U.S. has been on her watch list for civil war for some time. She's keeping it there. 
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Nov 2, 2024 • 55min

Night Owls Episode 43

A last look at the 2024 presidential campaign. A disagreement about Jeff Bezos. A watershed moment in Germany. And more! 

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