

Night Owls
John Ellis and Joe Klein
Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.
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Dec 28, 2024 • 1h 8min
Episode 49 (with Deb Roy)
In the final episode of our Cortico trilogy, we talked with the company's founder and CEO, Deb Roy, about the future of "building civic muscle" and his roadmap for a national Cortico network.

Dec 21, 2024 • 1h 7min
Episode 48 (with Deb Roy and Alex Kelly Berman)
Part two of our conversations with the senior management of Cortico, the platform for "deeper conversations". Featuring Deb Roy and Alex Kelly Berman.

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Dec 11, 2024 • 38min
Episode 47 (With Deb Roy and Kathy Cramer)
Deb Roy, a media arts and sciences professor at MIT and co-founder of Cortico, joins Kathy Cramer, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, to discuss innovative AI systems promoting dialogue. They delve into how technology can elevate underrepresented voices, the effectiveness of smaller group discussions over traditional meetings, and the emotional disconnect felt by rural voters in politics. The conversation emphasizes understanding personal narratives to bridge political divides and create healthier community interactions.

Dec 4, 2024 • 42min
Episode 46 (with Jane Metcalfe Part 2)
Part Two of our interview with Jane Metclafe, a woman who saw the future clearly. Twice.

Dec 3, 2024 • 33min
Episode 45 (with Jane Metcalfe Part 1)
Part One of our interview with Jane Metclafe, a woman who saw the future clearly. Twice.

Nov 19, 2024 • 60min
Episode 44 (Barbara Walter)
An interview with University of California San Diego Professor Barbara Walter, whose book -- "How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them" -- examines the risk factors that presage civil wars. Those factors are "anocracy," factionalism, loss of power and loss of hope, all hyper-linked by social media. The U.S. has been on her watch list for civil war for some time. She's keeping it there.

Nov 2, 2024 • 55min
Night Owls Episode 43
A last look at the 2024 presidential campaign. A disagreement about Jeff Bezos. A watershed moment in Germany. And more!

Oct 19, 2024 • 1h 1min
Episode 42 (with RIta Singh)
Renowned voice forensics scientist Rita Singh unveils the secrets our voices hold about us, from health indicators to honesty. Journeying from India to Carnegie Mellon, she revolutionizes voice analysis with discoveries like detecting COVID-19 through vocal patterns. Her insights into AI’s role in healthcare promise early disease detection. There's also an intriguing segment on reconstructing historical voices, including Rembrandt's, revealing the fascinating interplay between vocal qualities and identity. Discover how these advancements could shape the future of forensics!

Oct 13, 2024 • 1h 14min
Night Owls Episode 41 (with General David H. Petraeus Ret.)
General David Petraeus (Ret.) talks about the paperback edition of his book, Conflict, written with Andrew Roberts—and brings us up to date on the state of war in Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon and potential wars in Iran and Taiwan.

Oct 3, 2024 • 36min
Night Owls Episode 40
Three topics -- the VP debate, the Middle East and Hurricane Helene -- in 30 minutes. Joe's experience covering the Middle East is on full display.


