

Night Owls
John Ellis and Joe Klein
Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.
Episodes
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Aug 3, 2024 • 57min
Episode 32 (A Conversation with Ann Selzer.)
Joe and John talk with Ann Selzer, the great Iowa pollster. It's a smart, interesting conversation about the 2024 presidential campaign, because she knows what she's talking about.

Jul 26, 2024 • 33min
Episode 30
Kamala Harris, the current Vice President and a prominent figure in U.S. politics, dives into electrifying discussions about the upcoming elections. She examines the strategy needed for a successful candidacy and the shifting voter dynamics influencing the Democratic primary. The conversation touches on age perceptions in politics, the growing significance of foreign policy issues, and how President Biden's health might shape her own prospects. Harris also reflects on potential rivalries in what’s shaping up to be a heated campaign.

Jul 4, 2024 • 28min
Episode 29
The last days of the Biden campaign? Joe and John go back and forth.

Jul 1, 2024 • 1h 12min
Episode 28 (with Rebecca Patterson)
Rebecca Patterson, ex-chief investment strategist at Bridgewater Associates, discusses global economic outlook, US fiscal policies, challenges in the German automobile industry, Federal Reserve's monetary policy, AI impact on finance, Chinese economy challenges, economic education, cybersecurity concerns, and book recommendations.

Jun 17, 2024 • 56min
Episode 27 (with Philip K. Howard)
Expert Philip K. Howard discusses improving government functionality and accountability, the challenges facing government policies and bureaucracy, innovative environmental regulations, analysis of the American legal system, a constitutional claim on public employee union power, and the need for new leadership in government reform.

Jun 11, 2024 • 1h 1min
Episode 26
John and Joe discuss the concern of Joe Biden's age. Plus, they talk about Biden's investigation of monopolistic tech companies; new demographic data that suggests too many boys are sitting at their parents' houses; and the results of the Mexican election.

Jun 3, 2024 • 1h
Episode 25 (with Daniel Finkelstein)
Joe Klein chats with an old friend, member of the House of Lords Daniel Finkelstein, about the complicated legacy of Brexit, the state of populism, and his new book Two Roads Home.

May 29, 2024 • 47min
Episode 24 (with epidemiologist Katelyn Jetelina)
Q. What do you do when you need a public health weather report? A. You talk to Katelyn Jetelina. That's what we did and this podcast is the result.

May 20, 2024 • 1h 7min
Episode 23 (with Cade Metz)
Our interview with New York Times tech correspondant Cade Metz, author of 'Genius Makers: The Mavericks Who Brought AI to Google, Facebook, and the World.' We talk all things AI.

May 13, 2024 • 48min
Episode 22
Joe praises Tom Friedman and ponders RFK Jr. John is all worked up about 7 EV chargers. Biology is being transformed by Google DeepMind. And more.


