
Let's Talk Loyalty
“Let’s Talk Loyalty” is an industry podcast for loyalty marketing professionals.
If you work in loyalty marketing, join us every week to learn the latest ideas and marketing insights from loyalty specialists around the world.
Check out our website on: http://www.letstalkloyalty.com/
Latest episodes

Feb 27, 2025 • 46min
#647:Loyalty in the Age of the Emotional Consumer – Insights from Kate Wheaton, Ogilvy One
In this episode Charlie Hills interviews Kate Wheaton, the Head of Strategy for Ogilvy One. Through her long career, Kate has worked on some of the UK’s most effective and loved loyalty programmes for brands such as Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Boots, Vodafone, British Airways, Waterstones and Pets at Home. She enjoys the combination of strategic rigour and creativity that modern loyalty demands to be successful.Today we will be learning about her favourite book and loyalty programmes, highlights and key learnings from the programmes she has worked on and all about the new loyalty white paper from Ogilvy One “Loyalty in the Age of the Emotional Consumer”.Hosted by Charlie Hills Show Notes :Kate WheatonOgilvy OneOglivy - Ideas - Loyalty -Age- Emotional ConsumerEuropean Loyalty WhitepaperMando-ConnectThe Power of Moments: Why Certain Experiences Have Extraordinary Impact

Feb 25, 2025 • 23min
#646: Bridging Academia and Industry: Exploring the Future of Loyalty with Darron Kirkley
In this episode Aaron Dauphinee speaks with CLMP™ and loyalty academic, Darron Kirkley from the University of South Carolina (USC). Darron is one of less than a handful of instructors in the USA who have created a university level class focused on the discipline of loyalty. His course, Hospitality Loyalty Strategy, is taught through USC's College of Hospitality, Retail and Sport Management and Darron is a steward of the hospitality sector. Darron shares his unique perspective into the mindshare of the next generation of loyalty marketers. We also discuss the drivers of loyalty in hospitality and the go-forward state for the loyalty industry.The Wiser Loyalty podcast series is created in partnership between Let’s Talk Loyalty™ and The Wise Marketer™. This episode is hosted by Aaron Dauphinee.Show notes:1) Darron Kirkley2) USC's College of Hospitality, Retail and Sport Management3) University of South Carolina (USC)

Feb 20, 2025 • 47min
Mothercare, Adidas & Liverpool FC - Capturing Brand Loyalty in Indonesia (Ep #645)
This episode is available in audio format on our Let's Talk Loyalty podcast and in video format on www.Loyalty.TV.Today's episode features a truly global loyalty perspective coming from Indonesia, which is in fact the 4th most populous country in the world!Our featured brand is one of the largest retail conglomerates in Indonesia with nearly 200 stores and a market leadership position particularly in the kids and baby segment.Kanmo Group is the official distributor for Indonesia of multiple world class brands and their portfolio includes global icons such as Mothercare, COACH, Adidas, Havaianas, Liverpool Football Club & Nespresso.Our guest is Rajesh Grover, Kanmo’s Group Vice President of AI, Digital and Omnichannel, which includes responsibility for the Kanmo Circle loyalty programme.Separately, Rajesh has also recently written and published a book called “Start Unselling Now” which introduces his customer-first approach that prioritizes the buying journey over sales targets.Please enjoy this episode from the Kanmo Group in Indonesia.Show notes:1) Rajesh Grover2) Kanmo Group3) Kanmo Circle4) Start Unselling Now: The Sales Manifesto for Winning Customers (Book)5) One Click: Jeff Bezos and the Rise of Amazon.com (Book)

Feb 18, 2025 • 56min
#644: LATAM Pass– La evolución constante de un Programa de Lealtad (Spanish Episode)
This episode is in Spanish and is available in audio format on our Let's Talk Loyalty podcast and in video format on www.Loyalty.TV.En el episodio de hoy está con nosotros Cristian Ortiz, CEO de LATAM Pass, uno de los programas de viajero frecuente más grande deLatinoamérica con 49 millones de socios. Nos describe cómo ha evolucionado elprograma a lo largo de los últimos años, pasando de un modelo de coalición,anteriormente conocido como Multiplus, a lo que es ahora. Nos comentó comoconectar con los socios del programa para que se mantengan enganchados con lapropuesta de valor y como extenderla para estar presentes con el socio todos losdías.Hosted by Alex Saul.Show Notes:- 1) Cristian Ortiz2) LATAM Pass3) Start with Why by Simon Sinek (Book)

Feb 13, 2025 • 40min
#643: Wiser Loyalty in 2025: Real-World Strategies from C-Suite Leaders
Today’s guest is Dave Sims, a well-known professional in North American loyalty circles. Dave is a Navy veteran who started his career with Proctor & Gamble and had early experiences creating business value using customer data while operating a startup. He has since been in a leadership role in the customer loyalty efforts at notable brands including DSW Shoes, GNC Nutrition, LaQuinta Hotels, and Nordstrom. He most recently served as Chief Marketing Officer for a large franchisee of Orange Theory Fitness.Dave shares insights on the future of loyalty, how to get support from the C-Suite, the tension between acquisition and retention, gamification and more. The Wiser Loyalty podcast series is created in partnership between Let’s Talk Loyalty™ and The Wise Marketer™. This episode is hosted by Bill Hanifin.Show Notes: 1) Dave Sims2) Orange Theory Fitness3) Bill Hanifin4) The Wise Marketer.

Feb 11, 2025 • 36min
#642: Managing 5 loyalty programmes into a new era of hyper personalisation in India: Arvind Fashions Ltd.
Arvind Fashions Ltd is a USD 500 m turnover fashion business, which has been in existence for over 30 years. Its loyalty base boasts over 10 million customers across its five different loyalty programmes. Tanya Alexander is AVP loyalty and Operations at Arvind Fashions Ltd and shares her challenges of operating five+ loyalty programmes, using customer-relevant channels and how she sees the role of AI driving faster hyper personalisation to better serve the Indian fashion market.Hosted by Amanda CromhoutShow Notes : 1) Tanya Alexander 2) Arvind Fashions Ltd3) The Ken 4) Forrester Research 5) Mckinsey Insights

Feb 6, 2025 • 43min
#641: NASCAR Nurtures Auto-Racing Excitement with Fans at Home or at the Track
This episode is available in audio format on our Let's Talk Loyalty podcast and in video format on www.Loyalty.TV.Today we’re bringing you an incredibly exciting episode with NASCAR which is otherwise known as The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing.NASCAR is the sanctioning body for the number one form of motor sports in the United States.Based in Daytona Beach, Florida, NASCAR sanctions more than 1,200 races annually in eleven countries and more than thirty U.S. states.Our guest for today’s episode is Donald Baal, Senior Director of Fan Loyalty for NASCAR Rewards who explains more about the sport, the multi-generational loyalty that already exists with fans and some of the fantastic reasons why the business made the decision to invest in a formal loyalty programme to build that emotional connection even further.Show notes:1) Donald Baal2) NASCAR3) NASCAR Fan Rewards4) The Ride of a Lifetime: Lessons in Creative Leadership from the CEO of the Walt Disney Company (Book)

Feb 4, 2025 • 41min
#640: Comarch Shares Its Customer Loyalty Predictions 2025 Report
This episode is available in audio format on our Let's Talk Loyalty podcast and in video format on www.Loyalty.TV.2025 is the time of year that leading industry brands share their incredible insights and research as a way to support our industry, so I’m delighted today to be joined by our longest-standing sponsor and partner of the show as one amazing brand that does exactly that.Comarch is a leading global IT company founded in Poland in 1993 which employs over 6,000 people, powering the technology needs of more than 40,000 companies worldwide.Comarch is also one of the most dedicated software companies in the world when it comes to its focus on loyalty marketing software.As part of that focus, I’m thrilled to be today helping them to launch their Customer Loyalty Predictions 2025 Report – focused on AI, Privacy and Sustainability - which was conducted by Comarch in partnership with the Global Loyalty Organisation.Joining me in the studio today to share insights from this global study are Lukasz Dubiel and Joanna Witsch from Comarch.I hope you enjoy their insights on these key loyalty topics which are so relevant for 2025 and beyond!This episode is sponsored by Comarch.Show Notes :1) Comarch2) Customer Loyalty Predictions 2025 Report – focused on AI, Privacy and Sustainability3) Lukasz Dubiel4) Joanna Witsch 5) The Heart-Led Leader (Book)6) Loyalty.com (Book)

Jan 30, 2025 • 34min
#639: C-Suite Guest - Blue Rewards from Al Futtaim Group Shares Loyalty Success Stories and Evolution
This episode is available in audio format on our Let's Talk Loyalty podcast and in video format on www.Loyalty.TV.Today, we are delighted to be chatting with a leading regional loyalty and lifestyle program in the GCC called Blue Rewards, which is the rewards and lifestyle app for the Al-Futtaim Group.Founded in the 1930s, the Al-Futtaim Group is a family-owned business that has evolved into a leading conglomerate across automotive, retail, real estate, and finance sectors in more than twenty markets.Our guest is Geeta Raghuvanshi, who is the Chief Technology and Data Officer for Blue Rewards, which operates in the GCC, Egypt, Singapore, and Malaysia.In this fun and insightful conversation, Geeta shares with us the overall Blue Rewards Programme and proposition, as well as some major evolutions and enhancements that the Al Futtaim Group have achieved in partnership with our friends in Capillary Technologies. Together, they've grown the program from a simple cash back concept through to a major lifestyle brand which is now operating as an independent business within the group.Please enjoy this conversation with Geeta Raghuvanshi from the Al Futtaim Group.Show notes:1) Geeta Raghuvanshi2) Al-Futtaim Group3) Blue Rewards4) The Upside of Disruption: The Path to Leading and Thriving in the Unknown (Book)

Jan 28, 2025 • 49min
#638: United Airlines Industry-Leading Loyalty Program MileagePlus (Archive Episode)
Today we are re-publishing this fantastic episode from our archive as our planned episode has been delayed for technical reasons. United Airlines remains the largest airline in the world with 244.4 billion revenue passenger miles flown in 2023, and their loyalty insights, even though recorded in November 2023 are ever-green. This re-release has also given us the chance to publish this on our dedicated Loyalty TV website (previously just available on Youtube) as well as our usual podcast channel (of course). It comes as United Airlines last week announced record fourth quarter profits for Q4 2024 and when we spoke, our guest Luc Bondar COO and President of MileagePlus shared how they achieved some of their superb results for their 110+ million MileagePlus members. Show Notes:1) United Airlines2) MileagePlus® program3) Luc Bondar, COO and President of MileagePlus
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