
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

Aug 15, 2024 • 42min
What's next for the controversial 'child safety' internet bill
Lauren Feiner, a Senior policy reporter at The Verge, dives deeply into the Kids Online Safety and Privacy Act (KOSPA), a bill poised to revolutionize tech platforms' responsibilities toward minors. She discusses the balance between child safety and free speech, highlighting concerns over censorship and age verification. The ongoing debate within Congress shows a bipartisan push yet faces criticism from advocacy groups. Feiner sheds light on how this legislation is reshaping the internet landscape while navigating passionate perspectives from tech giants and community advocates.

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Aug 12, 2024 • 1h 12min
Replika CEO Eugenia Kuyda says it’s okay if we end up marrying AI chatbots
Eugenia Kuyda, Founder and CEO of Replika, explores the intriguing world of AI companionship, where virtual friends can serve as therapists, companions, or even romantic partners. She discusses the emotional bonds users form with their AI personas and the potential for these relationships to enhance mental well-being. The conversation delves into the ethical implications of human-AI interactions, the evolution of chatbots, and the balance between personal life and leadership. Kuyda embraces the future, even if it leads to people marrying their AI companions.

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Aug 8, 2024 • 48min
DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict
Jonathan Kanter, Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust, discusses a significant federal ruling declaring Google a monopoly in search and advertising. The conversation delves into the implications of this landmark decision for market competition and the exciting remedies that may reshape the tech landscape. Kanter highlights the evolution of antitrust enforcement, the importance of understanding market dynamics, and the ongoing fight against Big Tech's dominance. He also reflects on historical precedents that inform future regulatory actions.

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Aug 5, 2024 • 1h 17min
Booking CEO Glenn Fogel wants you to take out your travel frustrations on AI chatbots
Glenn Fogel, CEO of Booking Holdings, shares insights on the travel industry, emphasizing the challenges post-pandemic and the competition from both hotels and airlines. He discusses how Booking.com is adapting to AI, aiming to enhance customer interactions while maintaining a personal touch. Fogel also addresses the complex regulatory landscape affecting competitive practices, particularly the influence of tech giants like Google. The conversation highlights the evolution towards data-driven decision-making, showcasing how AI could reshape travel experiences.

Aug 1, 2024 • 37min
AI has a climate problem — but so does all of tech
Justine Calma, a senior science reporter at The Verge, joins to tackle the pressing energy demands of AI technology. They unravel the climate impact of data centers, revealing that AI's energy consumption could rival that of a small country. The discussion dives into the ethical dilemmas surrounding tech's sustainability commitments and the strain on the U.S. power grid. Calma sheds light on the paradox of AI innovation versus climate goals, questioning its true value amidst escalating environmental challenges.

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Jul 29, 2024 • 1h 5min
Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber wants your next mouse to last forever
Hanneke Faber, the new CEO of Logitech, brings a wealth of experience from Unilever and Procter & Gamble to the tech world. She shares her vision for a more sustainable future through concepts like the 'forever mouse,' designed to be upgraded rather than replaced. Hanneke discusses the impact of hybrid work post-pandemic, structural changes at Logitech, and the integration of AI in product development. With a focus on lifestyle and sustainability, she aims to redefine computer peripherals to meet evolving consumer demands.

Jul 25, 2024 • 38min
The Supreme Court ruling that could kill net neutrality
In this insightful discussion, Sarah Jeong, editor at The Verge and a technology policy expert, dives into the seismic shifts following the Supreme Court's recent ruling. She explains how the overturning of Chevron deference could spell doom for net neutrality, reshaping the relationship between regulatory agencies and the judiciary. They explore the potential ideological battles looming as net neutrality cases may soon escalate to the Supreme Court, alongside the political tensions affecting judicial decisions and the unpredictable nature of the regulatory landscape.

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Jul 22, 2024 • 1h 4min
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe says too many carmakers are copying Tesla
RJ Scaringe, the innovative founder and CEO of Rivian, shares insights on the rapidly evolving electric vehicle market. He discusses Rivian's recent unveiling of five new models and a strategic $5 billion partnership with Volkswagen. RJ critiques the trend of carmakers copying Tesla, emphasizing the importance of unique technological advancements. The conversation dives into Rivian's restructuring to enhance efficiency and profits, as well as the exciting prospects of their upcoming R2 model aimed at affordability in the EV sector.

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Jul 18, 2024 • 44min
What happened to the metaverse?
In a deep dive with Matthew Ball, CEO of Epyllion and author of "Building the Spatial Internet," the conversation navigates the current state of the metaverse. Ball reflects on the discrepancies between early hype and today's reality, discussing the potential of the Apple Vision Pro and its implications for mainstream adoption. He explores the evolving landscape of immersive technologies and the complex issues surrounding interoperability and the digital goods market. The talk is a candid look at the future of a 3D internet.

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Jul 15, 2024 • 1h 1min
Biden’s top tech advisor on why AI safety is a “today problem”
In a compelling discussion, Arati Prabhakar, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, shares her insights on the pressing need for AI safety regulations. She emphasizes how innovation must be balanced with public interest, especially in light of current global challenges. Prabhakar also delves into the importance of the CHIPS Act for revitalizing U.S. semiconductor manufacturing and the evolving landscape of copyright law as it relates to AI technologies. Her perspective sheds light on the intersection of technology, policy, and societal impacts.