

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The Verge
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
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Feb 28, 2020 • 1h 2min
Recode Decode: Conor Dougherty
Conor Dougherty, a New York Times reporter and author of "Golden Gates: Fighting For Housing in America," dives into the San Francisco housing crisis, which he argues represents a broader national issue. He discusses the resentment caused by tech buses, the clash between YIMBY and NIMBY sentiments, and the failed SB50 bill aimed at increasing housing near transit. Dougherty also emphasizes the necessity of co-locating knowledge and service workers and critiques the need for less artisanal construction methods to combat the housing shortage.

Feb 26, 2020 • 60min
Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos
Jorge Ramos, an Emmy Award-winning journalist and Univision anchor, shares his insights on the Latino vote and the implications of political rhetoric in the upcoming elections. He emphasizes the need for journalists to confront power, particularly in light of misinformation and the challenges posed by tech giants. Ramos critiques Bernie Sanders' comments on Fidel Castro and discusses how the Latino community's shifting sentiments impact political dynamics. His passionate call for accountability and representation in journalism underscores the evolving landscape of media today.

Feb 24, 2020 • 1h 8min
Recode Decode: Steven Levy
Steven Levy, a renowned technology journalist and Wired editor-at-large, shares insights from his latest book, "Facebook: The Inside Story." He discusses gaining unprecedented access to Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg, revealing how Zuckerberg has changed over the years. Levy addresses the challenges of journalism in a corporate climate and critiques Facebook's approach to privacy and accountability. He also reflects on Zuckerberg's past, including the destruction of his old diaries, and speculates on Facebook's future under increasing scrutiny.

Feb 21, 2020 • 1h 4min
Recode Decode: Peter Diamandis and Steven Kotler
Peter Diamandis, founder of XPRIZE, and Steven Kotler, executive director of the Flow Research Collective, dive into the impact of exponential technologies on our future. They discuss how AI, robotics, and biotechnology will revolutionize sectors like education and healthcare. The duo emphasizes the need for optimism amidst challenges like addiction and privacy loss. Intriguingly, they even explore the idea that autonomous cars could reboot the sex industry, offering a surprising twist on technological advancements.

Feb 19, 2020 • 55min
Recode Decode: Caleb Scharf
Caleb Scharf, the Director of Astrobiology at Columbia University, discusses the stark realities of human survival on Mars, highlighting the dangers of radiation and the challenges of colonization. He contrasts government space efforts with private initiatives and questions the viability of space tourism. Scharf emphasizes the health risks astronauts face, including bone density loss and radiation exposure, and underlines the importance of understanding astrobiology in preparing for life beyond Earth.

Feb 17, 2020 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Corey Johnson
Corey Johnson, the Speaker of the New York City Council and a candidate for mayor in 2021, delves into urban planning and technology. He discusses ambitious plans for expanding biking and pedestrian infrastructure while navigating the complexities of rideshare regulations with Uber and Lyft. Corey shares his personal journey of coming out in a changing world and the unique challenges of being a politician in the social media age. He emphasizes the need for genuine engagement in politics and explores how tech can transform urban life without compromising community needs.

Feb 14, 2020 • 59min
Recode Decode: David Kaye
David Kaye, UN Special Rapporteur on freedom of opinion and expression and author of 'Speech Police', discusses the alarming realities of digital surveillance and its intersection with human rights. He sheds light on the hacking of Jeff Bezos' phone and how state actions impact media freedom. Kaye emphasizes the dangers of massive data collection by tech companies and advocates for stronger protections against these threats. Reflecting on historical abuses, he warns that repression of ideas can lead to grave consequences, making a compelling case for safeguarding freedom in a digital world.

Feb 12, 2020 • 53min
Recode Decode: Larry Ingrassia
Larry Ingrassia, seasoned journalist and author of "Billion Dollar Brand Club," explores how startups like Dollar Shave Club and Warby Parker are revolutionizing retail. He reveals how naïve outsiders have disrupted traditional markets by addressing customer frustrations. Ingrassia discusses the vital role of digital marketing in shaping consumer expectations and the challenges startups face, especially with competition from giants like Amazon. His insights highlight the delicate balance of innovation, customer experience, and navigating funding hurdles in the evolving e-commerce landscape.

Feb 10, 2020 • 1h 7min
Recode Decode: Carol Leonnig and Phil Rucker
Carol Leonnig, a National investigative reporter for The Washington Post, and Phil Rucker, the White House Bureau Chief, share riveting insights from their book, 'A Very Stable Genius.' They discuss the chaos of the Trump presidency, revealing how they garnered trust from insiders amidst turmoil. Their conversation touches on Trump’s self-perception as a 'genius,' the ramifications of his Twitter use on politics, and the evolving landscape for journalists navigating press freedoms under pressure. They also address the impacts of their recent media challenges.

Feb 7, 2020 • 52min
Recode Decode: Mark Surman
Mark Surman, executive director of the Mozilla Foundation, discusses the crucial need for a "public option" on the internet to ensure user choice and freedom. He reflects on how his experiences with punk rock and censorship have shaped his views on digital activism. Surman also dives into Firefox's unique position in an era dominated by big tech, explaining that being the top browser isn't their main focus. Listen as he outlines the future of tech regulation and innovation, advocating for privacy and user empowerment in today's complex digital landscape.