
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
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Dec 30, 2019 • 1h 6min
Best of Recode Decode: 2019
Reflecting on their favorite interviews from 2019, the hosts dive into the implications of surveillance capitalism and the erosion of personal autonomy. They discuss the importance of design ethics in tech and highlight the emotional power of country music. The conversation shifts to the evolving dynamics of cancel culture and media, critiquing Hollywood's slow adaptation to the digital age. They also explore concise communication and its impact on corporate influence, all while sharing humorous moments from their creative journey.

Dec 20, 2019 • 1h 1min
Recode Decode: Liz Plank
Liz Plank, a journalist and author known for her work on gender dynamics and mindful masculinity, engages in a lively conversation about her book, 'For the Love of Men.' She explores the shift in modern masculinity and offers insights into parenting boys with a focus on nurturing feminist values. Reflecting on the complexities of toxic masculinity, Liz emphasizes the role of mindfulness in redefining gender roles. The discussion also touches on the influence of social media trends and how societal expectations are evolving in the context of emotional expression.

Dec 18, 2019 • 52min
Recode Decode: Dylan Collins
Dylan Collins, CEO of SuperAwesome, shares his dedication to children's digital privacy and safety in a tech landscape that often overlooks young users. He discusses crafting compliance solutions for tech firms amid evolving regulations like COPPA and GDPR-K. Collins reveals insights into his previous gaming ventures and the shortcomings of platforms like TikTok and YouTube regarding child protection. He also introduces Rukkaz, an innovative video platform designed to create safer online spaces for kids while navigating the challenges of moderation and community engagement.

Dec 16, 2019 • 46min
Recode Decode: Tom Steyer
Tom Steyer, a 2020 presidential candidate, investor, and environmental activist, discusses income inequality and advocates for a wealth tax. He emphasizes the need for government solutions over billionaire philanthropy. Steyer shares insights on grassroots organizing, climate change as a top priority, and the role of antitrust laws in regulating tech giants like Amazon and Facebook. He critiques the intentional cruelty of the Republican Party and highlights the importance of broadening democracy through youth voter engagement.

Dec 13, 2019 • 1h 2min
Recode Decode: Ben Mezrich
In this engaging discussion, bestselling author Ben Mezrich dives into his latest book, Bitcoin Billionaires, and reflects on his iconic work, The Accidental Billionaires, which inspired The Social Network. He shares juicy insights about the evolving portrayal of Mark Zuckerberg and the Winklevoss twins' pivotal role in cryptocurrency. Mezrich critiques Facebook's approach to digital currency, asserting it's the wrong fit for such an ambitious project. The conversation also sparks curiosity about a possible sequel to the film that captured a tech revolution.

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Dec 11, 2019 • 1h 3min
Recode Decode: Margaret O'Mara
In this enlightening conversation, Margaret O'Mara, a history professor and author, delves into her book exploring the intertwining of U.S. politics with the tech industry. She traces the roots of Silicon Valley back to the 1960s and discusses the significant role of government in the digital revolution. O'Mara highlights the persistent sexism in tech and the contributions of women often overlooked in history. She also warns of threats to Silicon Valley's culture, including stringent immigration laws and rising global competition.

Dec 9, 2019 • 1h 3min
Recode Decode: Neal Katyal
Neal Katyal, a partner at Hogan Lovells and Supreme Court lawyer, delves into his book 'Impeach: The Case Against Donald Trump.' He argues that the evidence against Trump is compelling enough for premature termination of his first term and would advise resignation if he were his lawyer. Katyal discusses the DC establishment's struggle to grasp Trump's dishonesty and predicts that social media's influence will wane during impeachment trials. He also shares insights on the evolving legal landscape regarding tech regulation and the complexities of accountability in modern politics.

Dec 6, 2019 • 52min
Recode Decode: Nadav Goshen
Nadav Goshen, CEO of MakerBot, discusses the transformative potential of 3D printing in manufacturing and education. He reveals how their Method X printer aims to make real product manufacturing easier, while reflecting on the early hype of 3D printers becoming commonplace. The conversation delves into the vital role of technology in teaching, the sustainability challenges of 3D printing, and the shift towards localized production. Goshen also emphasizes how empowering small manufacturers can lead to innovation and change in the industry.

Dec 4, 2019 • 58min
Recode Decode: Andrea Matwyshyn
Explore the fascinating realm of the 'Internet of Bodies' as an expert discusses the integration of technology with biology. Uncover the potential benefits and risks of body-embedded devices, including the threat of hackers manipulating thoughts. Delve into the ethical implications and regulatory challenges associated with biohacking. Learn about advancements in medical technology and the need for robust legal frameworks to protect privacy and security. This conversation raises critical questions about our future relationship with technology and human capabilities.

Dec 2, 2019 • 52min
Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter
Deborah Rutter, the president of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, discusses innovative initiatives like The Reach, which promotes immersive learning in the arts. She highlights how technology can enhance audience engagement rather than detract from it. Rutter also explores the potential for art to bridge political divides and shares her vision for the Kennedy Center's future. With insights into audience participation and the evolution of performing arts, this conversation illuminates the challenges and opportunities facing cultural institutions today.