
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

Feb 14, 2020 • 1h 1min
Recode Decode: David Kaye
David Kaye, UN Special Rapporteur on freedom of opinion and expression and author of 'Speech Police', discusses the alarming realities of digital surveillance and its intersection with human rights. He sheds light on the hacking of Jeff Bezos' phone and how state actions impact media freedom. Kaye emphasizes the dangers of massive data collection by tech companies and advocates for stronger protections against these threats. Reflecting on historical abuses, he warns that repression of ideas can lead to grave consequences, making a compelling case for safeguarding freedom in a digital world.

Feb 12, 2020 • 55min
Recode Decode: Larry Ingrassia
Larry Ingrassia, seasoned journalist and author of "Billion Dollar Brand Club," explores how startups like Dollar Shave Club and Warby Parker are revolutionizing retail. He reveals how naïve outsiders have disrupted traditional markets by addressing customer frustrations. Ingrassia discusses the vital role of digital marketing in shaping consumer expectations and the challenges startups face, especially with competition from giants like Amazon. His insights highlight the delicate balance of innovation, customer experience, and navigating funding hurdles in the evolving e-commerce landscape.

Feb 10, 2020 • 1h 9min
Recode Decode: Carol Leonnig and Phil Rucker
Carol Leonnig, a National investigative reporter for The Washington Post, and Phil Rucker, the White House Bureau Chief, share riveting insights from their book, 'A Very Stable Genius.' They discuss the chaos of the Trump presidency, revealing how they garnered trust from insiders amidst turmoil. Their conversation touches on Trump’s self-perception as a 'genius,' the ramifications of his Twitter use on politics, and the evolving landscape for journalists navigating press freedoms under pressure. They also address the impacts of their recent media challenges.

Feb 7, 2020 • 54min
Recode Decode: Mark Surman
Mark Surman, executive director of the Mozilla Foundation, discusses the crucial need for a "public option" on the internet to ensure user choice and freedom. He reflects on how his experiences with punk rock and censorship have shaped his views on digital activism. Surman also dives into Firefox's unique position in an era dominated by big tech, explaining that being the top browser isn't their main focus. Listen as he outlines the future of tech regulation and innovation, advocating for privacy and user empowerment in today's complex digital landscape.

Feb 5, 2020 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Anna Wiener
Anna Wiener, a contributing writer for the New Yorker and author of "Uncanny Valley," shares her candid experiences transitioning from book publishing to the tech scene. She discusses the intoxicating allure of Silicon Valley and how her perceptions of its culture evolved. Wiener critiques the industry's reluctance to address underlying issues, from power dynamics to the pressures of diversity. With a humorous twist, she also recounts an unexpectedly whimsical baby-themed party, exploring the juxtaposition of serious industry challenges with juvenile cultural trends.

Feb 3, 2020 • 59min
Recode Decode: Dave Eggers
Join author Dave Eggers, founder of McSweeney's and a nonprofit for youth writing, as he dives into his satirical novel, The Captain and the Glory. He shares surprising insights from his interviews with Trump supporters and critiques the emotional nature of political decision-making. Eggers discusses the absurdity of modern electoral practices, his decision to embrace a flip phone, and reflects on the themes of his earlier work, The Circle, highlighting the cultural shifts driven by social media. It's a fascinating blend of humor, politics, and creativity!

Jan 31, 2020 • 52min
Recode Decode: Franklin Leonard
Franklin Leonard, founder of The Black List, shares how he unintentionally created a vital Hollywood survey connecting screenwriters and producers. He discusses the impact of diverse voices in storytelling, the systemic biases in Oscar nominations, and the need for equitable opportunities in the industry. Leonard also addresses why AI won't replace the human touch in script reading and emphasizes the importance of promoting diverse narratives to reflect broader audience demographics.

Jan 29, 2020 • 1h 12min
Recode Decode: Ezra Klein
Ezra Klein, co-founder of Vox.com and host of The Ezra Klein Show, dives deep into political polarization in America. He discusses the systemic shifts in party politics influenced by figures like Trump and Obama. The conversation highlights the intricate splits between urban and rural voters, and the dual impact of social media on discourse. Klein shares how regular people can combat polarization and argues that Congress needs to be bolder. His insights reveal the complexities of our divided political landscape and potential pathways to unity.

Jan 27, 2020 • 53min
Recode Decode: Annalee Newitz
In a thought-provoking conversation, Annalee Newitz, a sci-fi novelist and science journalist known for their work at io9 and Gizmodo, discusses their journey from journalism to fiction. They delve into the unique challenges of writing about time travel and how technology influences our historical narratives. Newitz shares insights on their novel, 'Autonomous,' exploring AI and societal change, while also pondering the implications of our digital legacies and the transhuman futures that await us. Their exploration of lost cities adds a fascinating layer to the impact of history on modern storytelling.

Jan 24, 2020 • 1h
Recode Decode: Numa Perrier and Tiffany Tenille
Numa Perrier, a writer and director known for her real-life-inspired film Jezebel, and Tiffany Tenille, the movie's star, dive into their unique journeys in the world of digital storytelling. They explore the transformative impact of the internet on relationships and the adult entertainment industry in the 1990s. Numa reveals her experiences as an online sex worker, while Tiffany shares her process of understanding that era. They discuss the importance of diversity in filmmaking and how platforms like Netflix are paving the way for underrepresented voices.