
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

Mar 9, 2020 • 48min
Recode Decode: Mark Lemley
In this engaging discussion, Mark Lemley, a Stanford Law professor specializing in tech and innovation, dives deep into Silicon Valley's obsession with startup acquisitions over IPOs. He argues that this trend stifles creativity and competition, raising critical points about antitrust issues facing tech monopolies. Lemley also explores potential legal challenges in emerging fields like robotics and autonomous vehicles. Delving into the future of independent companies, he questions whether they can remain innovative after being acquired by giants like Google or Facebook.

Mar 6, 2020 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Aicha Evans and Jesse Levinson
Aicha Evans, CEO of Zoox, and Jesse Levinson, CTO and co-founder, dive into the future of autonomous vehicles. Evans shares how she transitioned from Intel to Zoox after a pivotal leadership change. They discuss their innovative design for a fully autonomous robo-taxi aimed at urban ride-sharing, intentionally avoiding pitfalls like the Uber Pool problem. The duo also tackles the significant funding challenges in the competitive auto industry and explores how Zoox plans to revolutionize urban mobility with safety and efficiency in mind.

Mar 4, 2020 • 51min
Recode Decode: Dan Pfeiffer
Dan Pfeiffer, co-host of Pod Save America and former senior advisor to President Obama, discusses his new book, Un-Trumping America. He talks about the drastic changes in the Republican Party since Trump’s presidency and why simply defeating him won't fix deeper issues. Pfeiffer reflects on how Democrats can effectively engage younger voters and navigate a digital landscape that favors conservative narratives. He also shares insights on the political strategies needed to revive democracy and the impact of social media on today’s electoral dynamics.

Mar 2, 2020 • 1h 8min
Recode Decode: Jason Calacanis
Jason Calacanis, CEO and co-founder of Inside, and host of This Week in Startups, shares his insights on the tech landscape. He discusses Uber’s struggles post-IPO and suggests a tech giant should buy Tesla. Calacanis critiques tech journalism and argues for a ban on TikTok despite a potential American spin-off. He also expresses concerns about billionaire accountability and calls for compassion within capitalism, emphasizing the need for empathy in the growing influence of tech firms.

Feb 28, 2020 • 1h 4min
Recode Decode: Conor Dougherty
Conor Dougherty, a New York Times reporter and author of "Golden Gates: Fighting For Housing in America," dives into the San Francisco housing crisis, which he argues represents a broader national issue. He discusses the resentment caused by tech buses, the clash between YIMBY and NIMBY sentiments, and the failed SB50 bill aimed at increasing housing near transit. Dougherty also emphasizes the necessity of co-locating knowledge and service workers and critiques the need for less artisanal construction methods to combat the housing shortage.

Feb 26, 2020 • 1h 2min
Recode Decode: Jorge Ramos
Jorge Ramos, an Emmy Award-winning journalist and Univision anchor, shares his insights on the Latino vote and the implications of political rhetoric in the upcoming elections. He emphasizes the need for journalists to confront power, particularly in light of misinformation and the challenges posed by tech giants. Ramos critiques Bernie Sanders' comments on Fidel Castro and discusses how the Latino community's shifting sentiments impact political dynamics. His passionate call for accountability and representation in journalism underscores the evolving landscape of media today.

Feb 24, 2020 • 1h 10min
Recode Decode: Steven Levy
Steven Levy, a renowned technology journalist and Wired editor-at-large, shares insights from his latest book, "Facebook: The Inside Story." He discusses gaining unprecedented access to Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg, revealing how Zuckerberg has changed over the years. Levy addresses the challenges of journalism in a corporate climate and critiques Facebook's approach to privacy and accountability. He also reflects on Zuckerberg's past, including the destruction of his old diaries, and speculates on Facebook's future under increasing scrutiny.

Feb 21, 2020 • 1h 6min
Recode Decode: Peter Diamandis and Steven Kotler
Peter Diamandis, founder of XPRIZE, and Steven Kotler, executive director of the Flow Research Collective, dive into the impact of exponential technologies on our future. They discuss how AI, robotics, and biotechnology will revolutionize sectors like education and healthcare. The duo emphasizes the need for optimism amidst challenges like addiction and privacy loss. Intriguingly, they even explore the idea that autonomous cars could reboot the sex industry, offering a surprising twist on technological advancements.

Feb 19, 2020 • 57min
Recode Decode: Caleb Scharf
Caleb Scharf, the Director of Astrobiology at Columbia University, discusses the stark realities of human survival on Mars, highlighting the dangers of radiation and the challenges of colonization. He contrasts government space efforts with private initiatives and questions the viability of space tourism. Scharf emphasizes the health risks astronauts face, including bone density loss and radiation exposure, and underlines the importance of understanding astrobiology in preparing for life beyond Earth.

Feb 17, 2020 • 1h 7min
Recode Decode: Corey Johnson
Corey Johnson, the Speaker of the New York City Council and a candidate for mayor in 2021, delves into urban planning and technology. He discusses ambitious plans for expanding biking and pedestrian infrastructure while navigating the complexities of rideshare regulations with Uber and Lyft. Corey shares his personal journey of coming out in a changing world and the unique challenges of being a politician in the social media age. He emphasizes the need for genuine engagement in politics and explores how tech can transform urban life without compromising community needs.