

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The Verge
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
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Apr 15, 2020 • 1h 4min
Recode Decode: Jeffrey Katzenberg
Jeffrey Katzenberg, the founder of Quibi and former CEO of DreamWorks Animation, shares insights on the launch of the short-form video app during COVID-19, revealing it garnered 1.7 million downloads. He discusses the evolution of mobile storytelling, the appeal of short content, and how Quibi competes against giants like Netflix and YouTube. Katzenberg also addresses industry skepticism, discusses strategic partnerships, and highlights the creative talent attracted to Quibi, providing a glimpse into the future of entertainment.

Apr 13, 2020 • 54min
Recode Decode: Sarah Frier
Sarah Frier, a Bloomberg technology reporter and author of "No Filter: The Inside Story of Instagram," shares insights into Instagram's creation and evolution. She reveals how co-founders Mike Systrom and Kevin Systrom chose Facebook over Twitter for their sale. The conversation explores Instagram's challenges with identity after its acquisition, evolving corporate dynamics, and the social pressures it imposes on users. Frier also discusses the clash with Mark Zuckerberg and the looming competition from TikTok, making for a captivating look at modern social media.

Apr 10, 2020 • 58min
Recode Decode: Adam Grant
Adam Grant, an organizational psychologist and host of 'WorkLife,' shares his insights on the evolving landscape of work. He discusses the benefits of remote work and the impact of trust within virtual teams. The conversation tackles burnout and the importance of meaningful connections in fostering a positive workplace culture. Grant also explores how digital communication alters negotiation dynamics and reflects on the surprising creativity found in mundane tasks. This engaging dialogue dives deep into the future of work and leadership in a changing economy.

Apr 8, 2020 • 57min
Recode Decode: Niall Ferguson
In this conversation, historian Niall Ferguson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of acclaimed works like The Ascent of Money, shares insights on his PBS series, Networld. He emphasizes the power of networks in shaping revolutions and the alarming spread of misinformation during crises like the pandemic. Ferguson critiques Silicon Valley's surveillance practices, warning that the U.S. is edging closer to a model akin to China's. He discusses how modern social networks can both connect and divide us, stressing the need for better regulatory frameworks.

Apr 6, 2020 • 53min
Recode Decode: Kevin Systrom
In a riveting discussion, Kevin Systrom, co-founder and former CEO of Instagram, shares his insights on data analysis related to the coronavirus pandemic. He applies strategies from Instagram to understand the viral spread of the virus, emphasizing how critical data can inform public health responses. Systrom reveals his model predicts a peak in COVID-19 cases by mid-May, expressing hopes it's wrong. He also reflects on his journey since leaving Facebook in 2018 and his commitment to tackling misinformation during this crisis.

Apr 3, 2020 • 1h 1min
Recode Decode: David Plouffe
David Plouffe, former senior advisor to President Obama and author of "A Citizen's Guide to Beating Donald Trump," shares gripping insights on the political landscape amid the pandemic. He discusses the chaotic Iowa caucus and the critical need for mail-in voting. Plouffe urges regular citizens to engage politically, even on platforms like Facebook, to combat misinformation. He also emphasizes the importance of Biden's VP choice and critiques Silicon Valley's approach to politics, advocating for tech-savvy methods to enhance voter engagement.

Apr 1, 2020 • 59min
Recode Decode: Stewart Butterfield
Stewart Butterfield, CEO of Slack, shares insights into how the pandemic revolutionized remote work and propelled the adoption of messaging platforms. He discusses Slack's redesign aimed at enhancing user experience and reflects on the evolving nature of communication in organizations. Butterfield also touches on innovation in Silicon Valley, the challenges of hiring in a virtual landscape, and how smaller tech companies can compete with giants like Microsoft and Google while navigating regulation and customer needs.

Mar 30, 2020 • 1h 10min
Recode Decode: Gary Vaynerchuk
Gary Vaynerchuk, CEO of VaynerMedia and a pioneer in social media marketing, chats with Kara Swisher about the entrepreneurial landscape post-COVID-19. He shares his shift away from tech investments, highlighting the pandemic's role in distinguishing thriving businesses. Vaynerchuk emphasizes TikTok and LinkedIn's potential for growth while downplaying the threats posed by Facebook and Fox News. His insights reveal the need for authenticity in marketing and a long-term focus in business strategies, urging entrepreneurs to adapt and embrace innovation.

Mar 27, 2020 • 1h
Recode Decode: Deepak Chopra
Deepak Chopra, bestselling author and mind-body medicine pioneer, shares insights on coping with the coronavirus pandemic and the ensuing 'pandemic of panic.' He discusses how this crisis invites us to embrace our shared humanity and harness creativity for resilience. Chopra also unveils his AI initiative, Digital Deepak, exploring how technology can analyze stress. The conversation touches on biohackers' obsession with immortality and the potential benefits of mind-altering substances like CBD, underlining the interplay between technology and human well-being.

Mar 25, 2020 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Chamath Palihapitiya
Chamath Palihapitiya, CEO of Social Capital and former Facebook executive, shares his bold predictions on economic recovery post-COVID-19. He emphasizes the need for startups to have 36 months of cash ready and critiques corporate shenanigans hindering recovery. Chamath draws comparisons to historical crises, urging governments to tax tech giants and utilize their resources for national benefit. He also discusses the ethical implications of data use in contact tracing and advocates for a redefined success model in Silicon Valley focused on fulfillment.