
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

Apr 1, 2020 • 1h 1min
Recode Decode: Stewart Butterfield
Stewart Butterfield, CEO of Slack, shares insights into how the pandemic revolutionized remote work and propelled the adoption of messaging platforms. He discusses Slack's redesign aimed at enhancing user experience and reflects on the evolving nature of communication in organizations. Butterfield also touches on innovation in Silicon Valley, the challenges of hiring in a virtual landscape, and how smaller tech companies can compete with giants like Microsoft and Google while navigating regulation and customer needs.

Mar 30, 2020 • 1h 12min
Recode Decode: Gary Vaynerchuk
Gary Vaynerchuk, CEO of VaynerMedia and a pioneer in social media marketing, chats with Kara Swisher about the entrepreneurial landscape post-COVID-19. He shares his shift away from tech investments, highlighting the pandemic's role in distinguishing thriving businesses. Vaynerchuk emphasizes TikTok and LinkedIn's potential for growth while downplaying the threats posed by Facebook and Fox News. His insights reveal the need for authenticity in marketing and a long-term focus in business strategies, urging entrepreneurs to adapt and embrace innovation.

Mar 27, 2020 • 1h 2min
Recode Decode: Deepak Chopra
Deepak Chopra, bestselling author and mind-body medicine pioneer, shares insights on coping with the coronavirus pandemic and the ensuing 'pandemic of panic.' He discusses how this crisis invites us to embrace our shared humanity and harness creativity for resilience. Chopra also unveils his AI initiative, Digital Deepak, exploring how technology can analyze stress. The conversation touches on biohackers' obsession with immortality and the potential benefits of mind-altering substances like CBD, underlining the interplay between technology and human well-being.

Mar 25, 2020 • 1h 7min
Recode Decode: Chamath Palihapitiya
Chamath Palihapitiya, CEO of Social Capital and former Facebook executive, shares his bold predictions on economic recovery post-COVID-19. He emphasizes the need for startups to have 36 months of cash ready and critiques corporate shenanigans hindering recovery. Chamath draws comparisons to historical crises, urging governments to tax tech giants and utilize their resources for national benefit. He also discusses the ethical implications of data use in contact tracing and advocates for a redefined success model in Silicon Valley focused on fulfillment.

Mar 23, 2020 • 1h 2min
Recode Decode: Ben Hubbard
Ben Hubbard, Beirut bureau chief for The New York Times and author of "MBS: The Rise to Power of Mohammed bin Salman," dives into the controversial reign of Saudi Arabia's crown prince. He discusses MBS's unexpected ascendancy, the chilling aftermath of Jamal Khashoggi's murder, and the use of technology in controlling dissent. Hubbard also explores the dynamics of U.S.-Saudi relations under Trump, the implications of ambitious projects like NEOM, and the ongoing challenges of reforming a tightly controlled regime.

Mar 20, 2020 • 1h 4min
Recode Decode: Andrew Yang
Andrew Yang, former 2020 presidential candidate and founder of Humanity Forward, dives into the pressing need for universal basic income, especially during the pandemic. He discusses his plans to send checks to the working poor in NYC and the potential for future government cash distributions. Yang also reflects on his campaign experiences, speculates about a role in a Biden administration, and underscores the urgent need for bold economic reforms. He emphasizes the need for a dedicated government role in tech governance, highlighting its impact on society.

Mar 18, 2020 • 57min
Recode Decode: "After Truth"
Join director Andrew Rossi, known for his insightful documentary work, alongside Brian Stelter, CNN's chief media correspondent, and co-producer Adam McGill as they dive into the world's struggle with disinformation. They unravel the Pizzagate conspiracy's origins and discuss how misinformation impacts marginalized communities. Insightful analysis on Russian interference in elections, the emotional toll on victims, and the blurred lines around 'fake news' reveal the profound effects of social media. Their call for media literacy underscores an urgent need for solutions to combat the chaos.

Mar 16, 2020 • 1h
Recode Decode: Maggie Haberman
Maggie Haberman, the White House correspondent for the New York Times, delves into the chaotic political landscape during the coronavirus outbreak. She discusses Trump's controversial response and the growing trust issues affecting his credibility. The conversation touches on the contrasting management styles of state leaders versus the federal approach, as well as the crucial role of public health experts like Dr. Fauci. Haberman also explores the implications for Trump's re-election campaign amidst these crises, revealing the internal dynamics of the White House during turbulent times.

Mar 13, 2020 • 1h 8min
Recode Decode: Ron Klain
Ron Klain, former White House Ebola Response Coordinator and co-host of the Epidemic podcast, dives into the intricacies of the COVID-19 pandemic. He discusses how Trump's downplaying affected public trust and the gig economy's struggle. Klain explains the limited effectiveness of travel bans and the healthcare system's imminent strain. He also reflects on Biden's campaign successes amid his verbal missteps, asserting the need for transparency in public health communication and the lessons learned from past epidemics.

Mar 11, 2020 • 50min
Recode Decode: Dr. Lloyd Minor
Dr. Lloyd Minor, the Dean of Stanford University's School of Medicine, sheds light on the COVID-19 response and his book on precision health. He advocates for individualized care across the U.S. healthcare system and argues for universal health insurance. The conversation dives into how technology, like smart mirrors, could transform health monitoring and the ethics around medical data privacy. Minor emphasizes the need for preventive health measures and the pioneers in tech changing healthcare access for all.