

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The Verge
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
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May 6, 2020 • 1h 4min
Recode Decode: Alexis Coe
Political historian Alexis Coe, author of the bestselling biography of George Washington, discusses her groundbreaking work and the misconceptions surrounding America's first president. She critiques traditional narratives shaped by male historians, revealing hidden truths about Washington's mother and his legacy as a slaver. The importance of libraries as cultural hubs is also highlighted, alongside Coe's exploration of the tragic love story of Alice and Frederica, demonstrating how biases skew historical remembrance.

May 4, 2020 • 57min
Recode Decode: Alex Kantrowitz
Alex Kantrowitz, a BuzzFeed News reporter and author of "Always Day One: How The Tech Titans Plan To Stay On Top Forever," dives into how major tech companies like Amazon and Apple adapt to challenges and stay innovative. He discusses the pandemic's impact on consumer relationships with tech giants and the potential for a labor movement. Kantrowitz also highlights TikTok's role in fostering creativity among youth and compares Apple's current situation to Microsoft under Steve Ballmer, emphasizing the need for educational reform over automation in the future of work.

May 1, 2020 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Ryan Murphy
Ryan Murphy, the renowned TV producer behind hits like Glee and American Horror Story, delves into his new Netflix miniseries, Hollywood, which reimagines postwar cinema through a lens of inclusivity. He shares insights on how shows have fostered LGBT acceptance and compares his experiences at Netflix versus traditional networks. Murphy also discusses the evolution of representation in media, the impact of COVID-19 on entertainment, and reflects on his youthful defiance during a road trip to New York in the 80s.

Apr 29, 2020 • 1h 9min
Recode Decode: Dave Asprey
Dave Asprey, the founder of Bulletproof and a pioneer in biohacking, shares fascinating insights into optimizing health. He discusses how his personal journey shaped the biohacking movement and the importance of personalized nutrition and sleep quality, claiming eight hours of sleep is 'garbage science.' Asprey also explores innovative treatments like cryotherapy, the role of meditation in wellness, and his ambitious goal of living to 180. His entertaining anecdotes invite listeners to rethink health trends and cultivate a more balanced life.

Apr 27, 2020 • 54min
Recode Decode: Nikole Hannah-Jones
Nikole Hannah-Jones, a New York Times Magazine reporter and creator of the 1619 Project, dives deep into how the COVID-19 pandemic has exposed and highlighted existing inequalities in the U.S. She discusses the often-overlooked struggles of essential workers and the urgent need for better pay and recognition. Hannah-Jones also explores the education and health disparities affecting Black and Latino communities, linking these issues to systemic racism and historical failures. Her insights spark a conversation about the necessary changes for a more equitable future.

Apr 24, 2020 • 1h 2min
Recode Decode: Sarah Kendzior
Bestselling author Sarah Kendzior, known for her sharp political insights, discusses her book 'Hiding in Plain Sight' and analyzes the systemic factors leading to Trump's rise. She critiques how media treats Trump’s online behavior and shares her thoughts on income inequality and authoritarianism. Kendzior argues that Trump's base may not be as large as perceived and explores the urgent need for accountability in politics. The conversation also touches on the impact of technology on governance and the struggles for democracy amidst crisis.

Apr 22, 2020 • 1h 11min
Recode Decode: Tim Ferriss
Tim Ferriss, bestselling author and podcaster renowned for his insights on productivity, shares invaluable advice during the pandemic with host Kara Swisher. He emphasizes self-compassion amidst quarantine, the crucial distinction between fast and rushed decisions, and the resilience required for businesses today. Ferriss also discusses his renewed investments, including an ongoing interest in psychedelics and their potential to reshape mental health treatment. Optimism through low expectations, he argues, might just lead to greater happiness.

Apr 20, 2020 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Mark Cuban
Mark Cuban, successful investor, entrepreneur, and owner of the Dallas Mavericks, shares his insights on capitalism in a post-coronavirus world. He discusses the need for better support for small businesses and advocates for 'America 2.0', focused on empowering workers and investing in technology. Cuban also highlights the challenges of returning professional sports amid the pandemic and reflects on how COVID-19 has reshaped the future of employment, education, and corporate responsibility.

Apr 17, 2020 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Mayor London Breed
San Francisco Mayor London Breed discusses her proactive measures during the COVID-19 pandemic, emphasizing the urgency and complexity of her city's response. She critiques the federal government's slow reaction and outlines the challenges in sheltering the homeless population. The conversation turns to the tech sector's role in recovery and the looming budget deficit facing San Francisco. Breed also hints at her political aspirations, making for an engaging dialogue on leadership amidst crisis.

Apr 15, 2020 • 1h 4min
Recode Decode: Jeffrey Katzenberg
Jeffrey Katzenberg, the founder of Quibi and former CEO of DreamWorks Animation, shares insights on the launch of the short-form video app during COVID-19, revealing it garnered 1.7 million downloads. He discusses the evolution of mobile storytelling, the appeal of short content, and how Quibi competes against giants like Netflix and YouTube. Katzenberg also addresses industry skepticism, discusses strategic partnerships, and highlights the creative talent attracted to Quibi, providing a glimpse into the future of entertainment.