
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Apr 7, 2025 • 1h 11min
UiPath CEO Daniel Dines on AI agents replacing our jobs
Daniel Dines, co-founder and CEO of UiPath, shares insights from his journey back to leadership in the realm of robotic process automation. He discusses the challenges of transitioning between CEOs and the pivotal role of AI in reshaping strategies. Dines emphasizes a customer-centric approach and the importance of interdepartmental collaboration during corporate transformations. The podcast also explores the integration of human cognition with automation, addressing how AI can enhance traditional business processes while maintaining essential human elements.

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Apr 3, 2025 • 60min
What AI anime memes tell us about the future of art and humanity
Brian Merchant, a journalist and the author of "Blood in the Machine," joins the discussion about the tumultuous relationship between AI and art. They dive into the viral AI-generated Studio Ghibli memes and their cultural implications. The conversation covers ethical concerns artists face, the challenges of creativity in a digital world, and how AI reshapes traditional art markets. Merchant critiques the power dynamics favoring tech corporations and highlights the ongoing debate over value, authenticity, and the future of human creativity.

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Mar 31, 2025 • 1h 14min
How Unity CEO Matt Bromberg stopped the ‘war’ against its customers
Matt Bromberg, CEO of Unity, brings fresh insights after taking the helm during a turbulent time. He discusses Unity's transformation from being ‘at war’ with its customers to embracing open dialogue and restoring trust by scrapping a controversial runtime fee. Bromberg explores the future of gaming and the importance of live services, while delving into the challenges and potential of augmented reality technology. He emphasizes a culture shift within Unity aimed at fostering better relationships with developers amidst the rapidly evolving gaming landscape.

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Mar 27, 2025 • 50min
Capitalism vs. the bird flu
Science journalist Lauren Leffer joins the discussion, bringing her expertise on bird flu and its implications. They explore the 'forever war' against this virus, drawing alarming parallels with the COVID-19 pandemic. Topics include the escalating pressures on egg prices, the challenges farmers face in reporting sick animals, and the complexities of vaccine hesitancy amid public trust issues. The conversation highlights the need for better collaboration between health authorities and farmers to enhance biosecurity and manage this unpredictable outbreak.

49 snips
Mar 24, 2025 • 1h 11min
Splice CEO Kakul Srivastava on why push-button AI is “insulting” to musicians
Kakul Srivastava, CEO of Splice, shares insights on the intersection of technology and music creation. She discusses how Splice empowers musicians with innovative tools while emphasizing the importance of human creativity amid AI advancements. Kakul explains the tension between copyright issues and innovation, highlighting the challenges artists face with automated solutions. The conversation also covers the emotional connections music fosters and the necessity of maintaining artistic integrity as AI reshapes the industry.

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Mar 20, 2025 • 51min
The movement to take down Tesla
Ed Niedermeyer, author of "Ludicrous" and host of the Atomicast, dives deep into the Tesla Takedown protest movement. He discusses how public dissatisfaction with Elon Musk is impacting Tesla, with falling stock prices and registrations. The conversation critiques the gap between Tesla’s hype and reality, highlighting its identity crisis amid protests. Niedermeyer also explores how these movements affect investor perceptions and the challenges Tesla faces in maintaining its position in the electric vehicle market.

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Mar 17, 2025 • 1h 11min
How Trump's tariff chaos is already changing global trade
Evan Smith, Co-founder and CEO of Altana, discusses his vision of a transforming global trade landscape. He explains how Trump's tariff policies are reshaping supply chains, pointing out the chaotic repercussions for businesses worldwide. The conversation highlights the complex U.S.-China relations and the evolution of manufacturing due to globalization. Smith emphasizes the necessity of advanced technologies, like AI, to navigate new trade dynamics and adapt to ongoing geopolitical tensions. It's a deep dive into the future of international commerce.

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Mar 13, 2025 • 52min
Why the Take It Down Act is a not a law, but a weapon
In this discussion, Adi Robertson, a Verge policy editor who focuses on online speech and AI regulation, dives into the controversial Take It Down Act. They analyze how this legislation, designed to combat non-consensual intimate imagery, could actually be weaponized for political ends. Adi warns about the Trump administration's involvement and the implications for free speech. The conversation also touches on the role of tech companies and AI in moderating sensitive content, highlighting the challenges they face in an increasingly polarized environment.

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Mar 10, 2025 • 1h 9min
Dow Jones CEO Almar Latour on AI, press freedom, and the future of news
Almar Latour, Publisher of The Wall Street Journal and CEO of Dow Jones, dives into the intersections of AI and journalism. He discusses the transformational effects of AI on news media and the ongoing fight for press freedom, particularly concerning the release of imprisoned reporter Evan Gershkovich. Latour also highlights the restructuring within the Wall Street Journal to adapt to digital competition, emphasizing the importance of quality journalism amidst rampant misinformation. His insights reflect the future of news in an increasingly AI-driven landscape.

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Mar 6, 2025 • 41min
Flying is still safe, for now — but the FAA isn’t
Andy Hawkins, transportation editor at The Verge, dives into the current landscape of air travel safety. He discusses the paradox of rising media attention on airplane crashes despite record safety levels. The conversation highlights concerns about aging air traffic control systems and ongoing staffing challenges within the FAA. They also explore Elon Musk's influence on aviation technology and the potential privatization of air traffic control, stressing the importance of experienced personnel in maintaining safety.