
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Mar 3, 2025 • 1h 14min
Amazon’s Panos Panay on the long road to Alexa’s AI overhaul
Panos Panay, SVP of Devices and Services at Amazon, discusses his journey from Microsoft, where he led the Surface line, to revolutionizing Alexa with AI. He shares insights on training Alexa Plus to enhance user interactions and the impact of AI on smart home automation. The conversation also touches on how AI reshapes family dynamics and personal relationships, as well as Amazon's unique product development culture. With a focus on seamless integration, Panay highlights the future of voice-activated systems and the emotional connection users might develop with their devices.

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Feb 27, 2025 • 40min
Elon Musk's polarizing ascent in the MAGA movement
Gabby del Valle, a policy reporter for The Verge, shares her firsthand insights from CPAC, where Elon Musk's surprising appearance stirred up tensions. The discussion dives into the intricate relationship between Musk and Trump, revealing mixed feelings among MAGA supporters about Musk's influence on the right-wing movement. Gabby highlights the concerns regarding technology's role in nationalism, along with the ideological rifts within conservative circles. Expect a wild ride through chainsaws, Dogecoin, and the complexities of the evolving MAGA vision.

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Feb 24, 2025 • 1h 17min
Vimeo CEO Philip Moyer is betting on the human touch — and AI
Philip Moyer, CEO of Vimeo, discusses the platform's evolution from a creative space to an enterprise solution. He explores the challenges of monetizing video in an AI-driven world, where content volume is skyrocketing but viewer time remains limited. Moyer emphasizes Vimeo's commitment to privacy and quality, positioning itself against competitors like YouTube. He also reflects on the impact of AI on storytelling and the importance of maintaining human creativity within the rapidly changing digital media landscape.

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Feb 20, 2025 • 59min
Why gaming never had its Netflix moment
In this discussion, Ash Parrish, The Verge’s video game reporter, unpacks the current challenges facing Xbox and the broader gaming industry. They explore Microsoft's ambitious Game Pass strategy, questioning why gaming hasn't seen its 'Netflix moment.' Parrish highlights the tension between hardcore and casual gamers, along with the struggles of subscription services in such an interactive medium. The conversation also touches on Xbox's efforts to adapt beyond consoles and the emergence of cloud gaming, signaling a future primed for transformation.

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Feb 13, 2025 • 51min
The FCC is a now a weapon in Trump’s war on free speech
Matt Wood, VP and General Counsel at Free Press, discusses the alarming shifts in the FCC's role under the Trump administration. He highlights how this has led to government interference in media and a culture of fear among journalists. The conversation addresses serious threats to First Amendment rights, the suppression of dissenting voices, and parallels to historical censorship. Wood emphasizes the urgent need to uphold press freedoms as the battle against political overreach intensifies and explores the complex dynamics between media integrity and government power.

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Feb 10, 2025 • 1h 3min
Sen. Ron Wyden is here to stop Elon Musk
Senator Ron Wyden, a trailblazer in tech policy and co-author of Section 230, joins to discuss the intersection of technology and government. He shares urgent concerns about Elon Musk's disruptive influence on federal agencies and their responses to emerging tech challenges. Wyden warns that unchecked power could undermine accountability and privacy. The conversation emphasizes the importance of regulatory oversight to protect citizen rights while navigating the rapidly changing tech landscape.

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Feb 6, 2025 • 45min
Elon Musk's presidency is just getting started
Teddy Schleifer, a New York Times reporter focused on money and politics, dives into the controversial influence of Elon Musk over the federal government. He discusses the implications of Musk's Department of Government Efficiency and its impact on transparency and federal workforce restructuring. The conversation examines the alliance between Musk and Trump, highlighting concerns about conflicts of interest and the unchecked power of private citizens in governance. Schleifer raises essential questions about the future of American capitalism and political dynamics.

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Feb 3, 2025 • 1h 10min
Bookshop CEO Andy Hunter's crusade to save books from Amazon
Andy Hunter, CEO of Bookshop.org, is on a mission to empower independent bookstores against Amazon. He shares insights on launching an online platform during the pandemic and the triumphs in connecting readers with local shops. The conversation dives into the complexities of e-books and the battle against censorship, highlighting the need for diverse literature access. Hunter emphasizes the importance of community and ethical practices while tackling the competitive e-book market, advocating for a cooperative approach to challenge monopolism.

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Jan 30, 2025 • 33min
DeepSeek, Stargate, and the new AI arms race
Kylie Robison, Senior AI reporter at The Verge, dives into the transformative DeepSeek AI model and its disruptive effects on traditional chatbot development and costs. The discussion highlights DeepSeek's implications for U.S.-China relations and the AI arms race. They also explore OpenAI's ambitious Stargate data center project, aiming to boost domestic AI infrastructure with a massive budget. Together, these developments signal a seismic shift in the AI landscape, raising questions about future investments and industry competition.

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Jan 27, 2025 • 1h 17min
How Ciena keeps the internet online, with CEO Gary Smith
In this engaging conversation, Gary Smith, CEO of Ciena, a key player in high-speed internet connectivity, dives into the vital role his company plays in keeping the internet operational. He discusses innovations like Wavelength Division Multiplexing that enhance data transmission. Smith highlights the shift in internet infrastructure ownership from traditional telecom to tech giants, and addresses the geopolitical intricacies of global internet connectivity. Excitingly, he also mentions AI's growing demands on infrastructure and the challenges facing subsea cable networks.