

At Work with The Ready
Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin
Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re struggling with a carousel of ineffective meetings, annual strategy sessions that go nowhere, or decision-making churn that never ceases, they’ve seen it all and are here to help. In each episode, they'll break down common workplace challenges and show you the moves—both big and small—to start making real, lasting change. (Formerly “Brave New Work” with Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans)
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Dec 18, 2020 • 48min
Brave New Work 55. Gaslighting and Other Forms of Epistemic Injustice in the Workplace with Cat Swetel
When we begin to reckon with inequality in the workplace, a useful place to start is the concept of "epistemic injustice"—what we know, how we know, and who gets to decide and influence our reality. This concept goes deeper than simply who is in the room. This is about the stories we bring with us, the ones we build together, and how bias and representation shape the possibility of what can be.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Cat Swetel, a consultant specializing in data-informed coaching and increasing equity in organizations, about epistemic injustice—in the workplace and beyond.Learn more about Cat on her website, on LinkedIn, and on Twitter.Mentioned references:
gaslighting
Angel Street / Gas Light, 1938 play by Patrick Hamilton
Judith N. Shklar, Latvian philosopher and political theorist
"fishing stories"
"sock puppet accounts"
Sojourner Truth's "Ain't I a Woman?" speech
Douglas Rushkoff episode: BNW Ep. 33
Bridgewater
#oscarssowhite
Research Your Own Practice, by John Mason
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Dec 3, 2020 • 36min
Brave New Work 54. Rethinking Our Approach to Power and Leadership with Doug Kirkpatrick
While we often throw around terms like "the future of work" and "new ways of working," the reality is that much of the wisdom about how to self-organize and self-manage has been around for a long, long time. What we can learn from this is that there's really nothing new about this moment—except for the fact that more and more people are waking up to the fact that the status quo just isn't good enough.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Doug Kirkpatrick, author of The No-Limits Enterprise (and many others), about his origin story at The Morning Star Company and what he's learned about self-management in the decades since.Learn more about Doug on LinkedIn, Twitter, and from reading his book: The No-Limit's Enterprise.Learn more about The Morning Star Company on their website.Mentioned references:
"Everything there is a season. Turn, turn": Turn! Turn! Turn! by The Byrds
Chris Rufer, founder of The Morning Star Company
Gary Hamel's famous "First, Let's Fire All the Managers" article from the Harvard Business Review
The Winner Effect, by Ian Robertson
Dr. Dacher Keltner, psychology processor at UC Berkeley
Dr. Fernando Flores, author of "Conversations For Action and Collected Essays"
Peter Koestenbaum, German-American philosopher
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Nov 24, 2020 • 32min
Brave New Work 53. Combating The Pandemic Work Hangover
It's been almost a year of working remotely due to the pandemic. And we haven't exactly been doing it right. We've just been hanging in there with too much Zoom and not enough coffee. As a result, we're a little toasty. In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk about what they're seeing and feeling, and what it's going to take to make remote work... work. With the Thanksgiving holiday coming up this week in the USA, it seems like the perfect time to talk about how to recuperate, refresh, and return to work with more intention.Interesting in working at The Ready? Check current openings and apply here.Mentioned references:
Seinfeld episode "The Opposite"
"participatory governance episode": BNW Ep. 43
Marcus Buckingham on resiliency
Steve Wozniak
Google Glass
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Nov 18, 2020 • 43min
Brave New Work 52. Are You Ready for Self Management? with Ali Randel
If you've been listening to Brave New Work for a while you might be wondering, "Is a self-managing workplace right for me?" Or, if you're already in one, you're probably curious, "How can I better recruit (and screen for) those that are a 'fit' for new ways of working?"In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans are joined by their colleague Ali Randel to talk about what it takes to survive and thrive in self-managing and self-organizing environments, and what we can do to test for those traits and skills before we jump in.Learn more about Ali on LinkedIn and by reading articles she's written on Medium.Apply to work at The Ready: https://www.theready.com/applyMentioned references:
Jerry Seinfeld's "What's the deal with...?"
A "Goldilocks problem"
Connect Four
Our book is available now at bravenewwork.comWe want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to podcast@theready.comLooking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

Nov 12, 2020 • 44min
Brave New Work 51. The One Conversation Every Team Needs to Have with Alex Jamieson and Bob Gower
We often wait to talk about the hard stuff until the shit has hit the fan. But what if we made space for difficult conversations before they become difficult? That's the insight at the heart of Radical Alignment, a new book that introduces a four part conversation technique designed to get couples, teams, and groups on the same page.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Alex Jamieson and Bob Gower about how game-changing conversations—spanning our intentions, concerns, boundaries, and dreams—can transform our lives at work and at home.Learn more about Radical Alignment and get a copy from your local bookseller.Learn more about Alex on LinkedIn and Bob on LinkedIn.Mentioned references:
"I Love Lucy" theme song
ICBD instructions
EasyRetro (formerly FunRetro)
Mural
Miro
"blue Hondas everywhere" - frequency illusion
Our book is available now at bravenewwork.comWe want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to podcast@theready.comLooking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

Oct 20, 2020 • 49min
Brave New Work 50. This is Justice Informed with Xavier Ramey
Three months ago, we started a conversation about diversity here on the show. And within our own company, that work has continued in earnest. Yet, we've only scratched the surface on what it means to realize true equity at work. We want to go deeper. We need to do more. And we need to make sure that the momentum of the summer continues into the fall. That's why we're back to talk about JEDI once again.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Xavier Ramey, CEO of Justice Informed, about where we stand in the fight for justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion, both at work and in society at large. This is an expansive conversation that touches on the past, present, and future—and invites each of us to continue taking action.Learn more about Xavier on LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram, and his website.Learn more about Justice Informed and their work on LinkedIn, Instagram, and their website.Mentioned references:
George Floyd
Breonna Taylor
MeToo movement
Slave patrols
Michael Brown and the Ferguson uprisings
13th, a film by Ava DuVernay (Michelle Alexander makes an appearance in an interview)
The Warmth of Other Suns, by Isabel Wilkerson
White Fragility, by Dr. Robin DiAngelo
"Central park incident"
Uncle Tom's Cabin, by Harriet Beecher Stowe
Dashiki
Berné Brown
Ben & Jerry's equity statement
Patagonia's equity stance
Our book is available now at bravenewwork.comWe want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to podcast@theready.comLooking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

Oct 12, 2020 • 49min
Brave New Work 49. The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures with Keith McCandless
Complexity calls for a new way of working—and in particular a new way of meeting. What matters isn't the individuals in the room, but the relationships between them. Indeed, we need new interactions that change the dynamics and outcomes of our gatherings. No more limiting structures, it's time for liberating structures.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Keith McCandless, co-author and co-developer of Liberating Structures, about the power of microstructures in meetings and moments of collaboration. The structures Keith and the LS community have developed have shaped The Ready's work since inception. Don't miss the lessons within.Learn more about Keith on LinkedIn, Twitter, and Medium.Learn more about Liberating Structures at http://www.liberatingstructures.com.Mentioned references:
"The Zen center"
Henri Lipmanowicz, Keith's co-author
Complexity science
"1-2-4-All"
"Critical Uncertainties"
"Impromptu Networking"
Tingsha
Kaospilot
New liberating structures in development: "Grief Walking" and "Talking with Pixies"
"Troika Consulting"
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Sep 28, 2020 • 35min
Brave New Work 48. How Your Software Tool Stack Shapes The Way You Work
One of the most common tensions we hear from teams is "our tools and technology are not maximizing our potential." Let me translate: our company uses crap software. We experience this for many reasons—status quo bias, frugality, security, and one-stop-shop pipe dreams. But the problem is that software is not a blank canvas. It's not neutral. It has opinions. And those opinions shape what we can do (and how we do it) at work.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans share how they think about software, and why you should advocate hard for the right tools on the job.Mentioned references:
Basecamp and Hey.com
Slack
Notion
Roam Research
BlueJeans
Mural
"Canvas": The Ready's OS Canvas
"episode about information": BNW Ep. 29
Zencastr
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Sep 21, 2020 • 42min
Brave New Work 47. Moving from Bureaucracy to Humanocracy with Michele Zanini
Co-author of Humanocracy, Michele Zanini, discusses transitioning from bureaucracy to humanocracy, exploring organizational structures, lack of recognition for innovative systems, learning from successful companies, and embracing initiative in management practices.

Aug 31, 2020 • 34min
Brave New Work 46. Clarity and Coherence In Your Organization's Identity
At a sufficiently large scale, any organization that has maximum "diversity" across all variables will become average. Why? Because taking a stand—any stand—is the basis for the boundary of the firm. It's what separates what's inside from what's outside. We must answer the question: "What makes us... us?"In order to succeed, we need generative difference—members of different races, backgrounds, and experiences. But, we also need clarity and coherence. We need to be explicit about the lines that matter to us, and have enough alignment and connection that a whole emerges from the parts.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk about what it takes to achieve that level of coherence, and how easy it is to tip the scales too far in either direction.Mentioned references:
"Brave New Work bookshelf": See references mentioned throughout the series, but the show notes for Ep. 12 are a great place to start.
"the canvas": The Ready's OS Canvas
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