

At Work with The Ready
Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin
Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re struggling with a carousel of ineffective meetings, annual strategy sessions that go nowhere, or decision-making churn that never ceases, they’ve seen it all and are here to help. In each episode, they'll break down common workplace challenges and show you the moves—both big and small—to start making real, lasting change. (Formerly “Brave New Work” with Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans)
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Nov 18, 2020 • 43min
Brave New Work 52. Are You Ready for Self Management? with Ali Randel
If you've been listening to Brave New Work for a while you might be wondering, "Is a self-managing workplace right for me?" Or, if you're already in one, you're probably curious, "How can I better recruit (and screen for) those that are a 'fit' for new ways of working?"In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans are joined by their colleague Ali Randel to talk about what it takes to survive and thrive in self-managing and self-organizing environments, and what we can do to test for those traits and skills before we jump in.Learn more about Ali on LinkedIn and by reading articles she's written on Medium.Apply to work at The Ready: https://www.theready.com/applyMentioned references:
Jerry Seinfeld's "What's the deal with...?"
A "Goldilocks problem"
Connect Four
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Nov 12, 2020 • 44min
Brave New Work 51. The One Conversation Every Team Needs to Have with Alex Jamieson and Bob Gower
We often wait to talk about the hard stuff until the shit has hit the fan. But what if we made space for difficult conversations before they become difficult? That's the insight at the heart of Radical Alignment, a new book that introduces a four part conversation technique designed to get couples, teams, and groups on the same page.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Alex Jamieson and Bob Gower about how game-changing conversations—spanning our intentions, concerns, boundaries, and dreams—can transform our lives at work and at home.Learn more about Radical Alignment and get a copy from your local bookseller.Learn more about Alex on LinkedIn and Bob on LinkedIn.Mentioned references:
"I Love Lucy" theme song
ICBD instructions
EasyRetro (formerly FunRetro)
Mural
Miro
"blue Hondas everywhere" - frequency illusion
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Oct 20, 2020 • 49min
Brave New Work 50. This is Justice Informed with Xavier Ramey
Three months ago, we started a conversation about diversity here on the show. And within our own company, that work has continued in earnest. Yet, we've only scratched the surface on what it means to realize true equity at work. We want to go deeper. We need to do more. And we need to make sure that the momentum of the summer continues into the fall. That's why we're back to talk about JEDI once again.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Xavier Ramey, CEO of Justice Informed, about where we stand in the fight for justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion, both at work and in society at large. This is an expansive conversation that touches on the past, present, and future—and invites each of us to continue taking action.Learn more about Xavier on LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram, and his website.Learn more about Justice Informed and their work on LinkedIn, Instagram, and their website.Mentioned references:
George Floyd
Breonna Taylor
MeToo movement
Slave patrols
Michael Brown and the Ferguson uprisings
13th, a film by Ava DuVernay (Michelle Alexander makes an appearance in an interview)
The Warmth of Other Suns, by Isabel Wilkerson
White Fragility, by Dr. Robin DiAngelo
"Central park incident"
Uncle Tom's Cabin, by Harriet Beecher Stowe
Dashiki
Berné Brown
Ben & Jerry's equity statement
Patagonia's equity stance
Our book is available now at bravenewwork.comWe want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to podcast@theready.comLooking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com

Oct 12, 2020 • 49min
Brave New Work 49. The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures with Keith McCandless
Complexity calls for a new way of working—and in particular a new way of meeting. What matters isn't the individuals in the room, but the relationships between them. Indeed, we need new interactions that change the dynamics and outcomes of our gatherings. No more limiting structures, it's time for liberating structures.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Keith McCandless, co-author and co-developer of Liberating Structures, about the power of microstructures in meetings and moments of collaboration. The structures Keith and the LS community have developed have shaped The Ready's work since inception. Don't miss the lessons within.Learn more about Keith on LinkedIn, Twitter, and Medium.Learn more about Liberating Structures at http://www.liberatingstructures.com.Mentioned references:
"The Zen center"
Henri Lipmanowicz, Keith's co-author
Complexity science
"1-2-4-All"
"Critical Uncertainties"
"Impromptu Networking"
Tingsha
Kaospilot
New liberating structures in development: "Grief Walking" and "Talking with Pixies"
"Troika Consulting"
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Sep 28, 2020 • 35min
Brave New Work 48. How Your Software Tool Stack Shapes The Way You Work
One of the most common tensions we hear from teams is "our tools and technology are not maximizing our potential." Let me translate: our company uses crap software. We experience this for many reasons—status quo bias, frugality, security, and one-stop-shop pipe dreams. But the problem is that software is not a blank canvas. It's not neutral. It has opinions. And those opinions shape what we can do (and how we do it) at work.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans share how they think about software, and why you should advocate hard for the right tools on the job.Mentioned references:
Basecamp and Hey.com
Slack
Notion
Roam Research
BlueJeans
Mural
"Canvas": The Ready's OS Canvas
"episode about information": BNW Ep. 29
Zencastr
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Sep 21, 2020 • 42min
Brave New Work 47. Moving from Bureaucracy to Humanocracy with Michele Zanini
Co-author of Humanocracy, Michele Zanini, discusses transitioning from bureaucracy to humanocracy, exploring organizational structures, lack of recognition for innovative systems, learning from successful companies, and embracing initiative in management practices.

Aug 31, 2020 • 34min
Brave New Work 46. Clarity and Coherence In Your Organization's Identity
At a sufficiently large scale, any organization that has maximum "diversity" across all variables will become average. Why? Because taking a stand—any stand—is the basis for the boundary of the firm. It's what separates what's inside from what's outside. We must answer the question: "What makes us... us?"In order to succeed, we need generative difference—members of different races, backgrounds, and experiences. But, we also need clarity and coherence. We need to be explicit about the lines that matter to us, and have enough alignment and connection that a whole emerges from the parts.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk about what it takes to achieve that level of coherence, and how easy it is to tip the scales too far in either direction.Mentioned references:
"Brave New Work bookshelf": See references mentioned throughout the series, but the show notes for Ep. 12 are a great place to start.
"the canvas": The Ready's OS Canvas
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Aug 24, 2020 • 38min
Brave New Work 45. The Importance of Strategy with Lorin Thomas-Tavel
We recorded this episode in April, and to be honest, it kinda feels like April never left. All the themes that were present then are simply louder now. What has become clear in the meantime is that strategy (e.g. what is happening, what matters, and what are we doing about it) is more important than ever. But how should we think about strategy in an emergent and participatory system? Is it intuitive and built in to the very structure of the org? Is it something we have to do? How should we weigh reflection against action? In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans speak with Lorin Thomas-Tavel, an executive at Kaplan, about the intersection between strategy and digital transformation, and how their strategy is changing and accelerating on the ground in the midst of the pandemic.Learn more about Lorin on LinkedIn and Twitter.Learn more about Kaplan at their website.Mentioned references:
Graham Holding Company
Berkshire Hathaway
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Aug 17, 2020 • 45min
Brave New Work 44. Prioritizing Your Priorities With Even/Overs
Prior to the 1940's, the word priorities (plural) was rarely used. Because the word priority means that which comes before anything else. It's one thing! But these days, it's not uncommon for leaders and boards to demand multiple, often contradictory outcomes at the same time. We want faster output AND higher quality. We want to grow market share in our core category AND open three new categories. We want to hit the impossible target AND have work life balance. But as the saying goes, if everything is a priority, then nothing is a priority. What we need is a way to make tradeoffs explicit and strategic. And that's exactly what "over" statements and "even/over" statements do. They ask us to put one good thing even over another good thing. In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans discuss how to create and leverage even over statements, and how they can help any team at any level focus on what truly matters now.As promised, we've also included three of our even/over statements for the Brave New Work podcast here in the show notes:
Authenticity e/o Polish (We keep it real, including the occasional curse word)
Depth e/o Breadth (We'll do a whole episode—or five—on prioritization)
Brevity e/o Freedom to Roam (We try to keep it snappy and we ask guests to do the same)
Read our article on even/overs on Medium.Mentioned references:
Tom Thomison: BNW Ep. 16
HolacracyOne
The Cheesecake Factory menu
Patagonia's "Don't Buy This Jacket" ad
"Essential Intent"
"Governance episode": BNW Ep. 43
"Teal context" - Teal organizations
"Episode about hiring": BNW Ep. 14
----------Our book is available now at bravenewwork.comWe want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to podcast@theready.comLooking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com----------00:00 Intro + Check-in: What’s a difficult trade off that you’ve made and did it pan out for you?04:49 What are even/overs and where did they come from?09:33 More is not always better11:14 Examples of good even/over statements19:25 Even/overs don’t necessarily mean you won’t get the second thing21:13 Using even/overs around Brave New Work principles29:30 Facilitating a team to get good even/overs35:00 Using even/overs when all decisions look like the right one39:20 Good even/overs can be counter-intuitive42:45 Wrap up: Leave us a review and send us your favorite even/overs!

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Aug 3, 2020 • 51min
Brave New Work 43. Steering Together: The Power of Participatory Governance
Making decisions at work can be perilous. It's not always clear who has the authority to make them. And even when it is, it's usually just a chosen few that benefit. So, it's no surprise that making decisions about how we govern the organization—designing the rules and roles that underpin everything, is so hard that it's often avoided altogether.That's why one of our favorite things to share is a form of governance that has its roots in the Quakerism, Sociocracy, and more recently, Holacracy. But the best part is you don't have to completely reinvent your way of working to get started. If you believe in iterative progress AND the notion that everyone should have a voice in steering the organization, you're ready to play.In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans introduce the concept of participatory governance, and talk about its many benefits (and occasional challenges).Check out our article about participatory governance.Mentioned references:
"JEDI episode" - BNW Ep. 40 with Sharan Bal
Kenneth Jones and Tema Okun
Dr. Akilah Cadet
Quaker decision making
Consent decision making
Gerard Endenburg
"Future Tension" - BNW Ep. 16 Thomas Thomison
"Leading through transformation" - BNW Ep. 8 with David Marquet
"Liberating structures" - BNW Ep. 49 with Keith McCandless
McChrystal Group
The Ready's Decision Proposal Template (no need to email us!)
"Action meetings"
"Retrospectives" - BNW Ep. 10 with Jordan Husney
--------------Our book is available now at bravenewwork.comWe want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to podcast@theready.comLooking for some help with your own transformation? Visit theready.com--------------00:00 Intro + Check-In: What have you done lately to contribute to a more just society or confront your own privilege?05:12 History of governance09:24 How tensions lead to proposals12:55 Understanding “safe to try”18:25 Judgement without experiencing is not the move21:03 Participatory governance process step by step29:13 How it’s a game changer to objections and getting things done33:31 How rounds disrupts power structures and dynamics in organizations40:56 When to start with participatory governance in your team48:53 Wrap up: Leave us a review!