Send us a textDr. Barbara KellermanBarbara Kellerman is the James MacGregor Burns Lecturer in Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School. Kellerman received her B.A. from Sarah Lawrence College and three degrees from Yale University: an M.A. in Russian and East European Studies and both an M.Phil., and Ph.D. in Political Science. She was awarded a Danforth Fellowship and three Fulbright Fellowships. Kellerman is a co-founder of the International Leadership Association (ILA).Quotes from This Episode“How do you talk about leaders or leadership without talking about followers or followership? How do you talk about leaders and followers together, without situating them in the contexts?”“People have been at this for at least 50 years since the so-called leadership industry was founded. Yes, I do call it that, because I think of it as largely a money-making proposition.”“People have been struggling with the issue of definitions, particularly of the word leader or leadership...what is a leader? The way I define it is completely different from the way virtually every one of my colleagues at Harvard defines it.”“In some cases, they say we’re training leaders, and other cases they say we’re educating leaders, and other cases, they’re saying we’re developing leaders. Nobody ever bothers to distinguish among those three verbs. What do you mean when you say you’re educating? What do you mean when you say you’re training?”“So the business schools are not very different now from the schools of government, and they are light years away from the military.”Dr. Kellerman's Website/Selected BooksWebsite: Barbara Kellerman New Book: Leaders Who Lust: Power Money Sex Success Legitimacy LegacyBook: Professionalizing Leadership Book: Leadership: Essential Selections on Power, Authority, and Influence - Book: Followership Book: Bad Leadership Book: Leadership: Multidisciplina♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textDr. Craig E. Johnson is professor emeritus of leadership studies at George Fox University in Newberg, Oregon. Craig served as director of the George Fox Doctor of Business Administration program and taught undergraduate and graduate courses in leadership, ethics, management, and communication. While he has retired from full-time teaching, he serves as an adjunct professor and continues to publish thoughtful and engaging texts on the topic of organizational and leadership ethics.Quotes from This Episode"I call privilege the evil twin of power. If you have more power, you typically have more privilege.""You cast a shadow if you’re inconsistent, and you also cast a shadow if your loyalties are to yourself and not in the right place."“It’s not enough just to have good character. Particularly in a large organization, people don’t know you personally. So you have to be active in terms of shaping the organizational culture.”(The work of Brown and Trevino) "really opened up a lot of research, which has revealed that ethical leaders finish first, not last.""It’s not selfish to find out your calling or vocation or where you can best serve because that’s where you’re going to best serve as a leader.”Dr. Johnson's TextbooksMeeting the ethical challenges of leadership: Casting light or shadowOrganizational Ethics: A Practical ApproachResources Mentioned in this EpisodeBrooks, D. (2013).  The road to character.  New York: Random House.Brown, M. E., Trevino, L. K., & Harrsion, D. A. (2005).  Ethical leadership: A social learning perspective for construct development and testing.  Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 97, 117-134.  Giridharadas, A. (2018).  Winners take all: the elite charade of changing the world.  New York: Knopf. Koehn, N.(2017).  Forged in crisis: The power of leadership in turbulent times.  New York: Scribner.Padilla, A., Hunter, S. T., & Tate, B. W. (2012).  The susceptible circle: A taxonomy of followers associated with destructive leadership.  Leadership Quarterly, 23, 897-917.  Palmer, P. (1996). Leading from within. In L. C. Spears (Ed.), Insights on leadership: Service, stewardship, spirit, and servant-leadership (pp. 197–208). New York: Wiley, p. 200.Towles, A. (2016). A gentleman in Moscow.  New York: Penguin.  Quotes Mentioned in this Episode“A leader is a person who has an unusual degree of power to create the conditions under which other people must live and move and have their being - conditions that can eith♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textSharna Fabiano helps individuals and teams strengthen their communication skills, from the perspective of both leadership and followership skills. Her background as an internationally touring instructor of tango partner dance gives her unusual insight into the nuances of teamwork and collaboration. We had a really fun conversation and I loved hearing her perspective - it's fresh, innovative, and thought-provoking.Quotes from This Episode“In my in my world, like, if you’re not connected, then you can’t do anything together - that’s meaningful.”“If we’re going to have people called leaders, then we’re going to have people called the followers and those people have to be equally valued, but we have to recognize that they have a choice.”“And both people (leader and follower role) have to have those skills, distinct but complementary skills, in order to dance together in order to improvise, in order to have the beautiful transcendent experience that we all aim for every night and chase for years.”“We say that leaders ‘invite.’ That’s their main job to ‘invite’ either to invite you to dance or to invite you to take a step to the right or invite you to express this sharp accent. They’re offering a whole string of invitations, that gives you the opportunity to dance with them. And then we say that the follower ‘responds.’”“So when once you get to that level, the creative level, the experience is that the roles sort of dissolve.”Additional ResourcesLeadership and Followership: What Tango Teaches Us About These Roles in Life Sharna’s Website Sharna’s Blog Free e-book - Leadership & Followership: Social Dance Principles That Elevate Professional Relationships Other Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeIra Chaleff - The Courageous Follower: Standing Up to and for Our Leaders  Ibram X. Kendi  - How To Be An anti-Racist Robin DiAngelo - White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism ♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textDr. Karen Giliam is Agency Chief Learning Officer & Organization Development Lead, NASA. In addition to her work at NASA, Dr. Gilliam has served as a faculty instructor, business owner, published author, and elected politician. She is also the grandmother of 12 and great grandmother of two. We explore a number of topics including self-knowledge, hope, empathy, storytelling, voice, and choice.Quotes from This Episode"What can I do, continue to do, or start doing, that keeps me on that inward journey of being all that I can be? Doing all that I was meant to do? And then, 'how can I apply that learning in my work?'""What occurs to me is that we haven't taught people how to examine their life, how to examine who they are...""One thing I find is critically important is that whole notion of voice...and what are you giving your voice to? Or for? On behalf of? And what does that mean to you? And how does that further your values? How does that honor your values?""What do you choose to do? What do you choose to do with the emotions that you're feeling? What do you choose to do to honor your values? What do you choose to do to be that voice on behalf of connecting others? On leading in a way that honors your values?""What do you want to leave this Earth knowing you contributed? And if it's for a single person, that's huge. If it's for a group or a community? Wow."Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeDr. Karen Gilliam - Finding Your Voice in a World That Needs ItJoan Southgate - Walking the Route of the Underground RailroadOther Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeBrené Brown - Dare to Lead: Brave Work. Tough Conversations. Whole Hearts  Brené Brown - Braving the Wilderness: The Quest for True Belonging and the Courage to Stand AloneDaniel Kimble  - Unshakeable Influence: Mastering the Inner Game of LeadershipQuotes Referenced by Dr. Gilliam"Develop a capacity to shine a light on yourself. The more we observe ourselves, the more we are aware of how the lens we see through affects our behavior toward other people." — Jennifer Mieres, MD"We can choose co♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textJulie Owen, Ph.D., is an Associate Professor of Leadership Studies at the School of Integrative Studies, George Mason University, where she coordinates the leadership studies major and minor and is affiliate faculty with the Higher Education Program and Women and Gender Studies. Owen authored more than 30 publications, including serving as co-editor of the Handbook for Student Leadership Development, and editor of  Innovative Learning for Leadership Development (New Directions for Student Leadership Series No.1).Quotes from This Episode"Instead of telling girls, they're being bossy, what if we reframe that as the nexus of leadership?""How do we help girls and women align their confidence and their capacity?""So this is messed up. We have to stop doing that. We have to stop having these comparative kinds of binary approaches to leadership because it makes for a precarious pedestal.""Stop talking about feminine ways of leading and start looking at feminist leadership where you actually own your story, and how you acknowledge power in leadership." Owen Related Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeWe Are The Leaders We've Been Waiting For by Julie Owen (30% discount if ordered by June 30, 2020. Code = SPR30)Julie Owen - Faculty PageJulie Owen on Twitter - @julie_gmuOther Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeQueen Bees and Wannabes by Rosalind Wiseman Mindset by Carol DweckCritical Perspectives on Gender and Student Leadership: New Directions for Student Leadership, by Daniel Tillapaugh & Paige Haber-Curran Gender and Leadership: A Call to Action by Heather D. Shea & Kristen A. Renn♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textRonald E. Riggio, Ph.D., is the Henry R. Kravis Professor of Leadership and Organizational Psychology and former director of the Kravis Leadership Institute at Claremont McKenna College. Professor Riggio is the author of more than a dozen books and more than 100 research articles and book chapters in the areas of leadership, assessment centers, organizational psychology, and social psychology. He's served on the editorial boards of The Leadership Quarterly, Leadership, Group Dynamics, and Journal of Nonverbal Behavior.Quotes from This Episode"Leaders don't do leadership. Leadership is co-created by leaders and followers working together.""There are plenty of leaders who are effective but could be better leaders. In fact, there are some effective leaders who are very bad leaders.""Why do people follow bad leaders? That's a question we've been concerned with...""Leader development focuses on individual development focused on the leader. Leadership development is focusing on developing the collective capacity of leaders and followers, the unit, the team, the department." (For more on this concept, see David Day's article Leadership Development: A Review in Context)Riggio Related Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeWhat’s Wrong with Leadership?Inclusive LeadershipRon Riggio at Psychology Today (Blog)Ron's work at Amazon.comOther Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeThe Courageous Follower by Ira ChaleffTransactional and Transformational Leadership: A Constructive/Developmental Analysis (Kuhnert & Lewis - Applying the Work of Robert Kegan to Leadership) Inclus♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textDr. Susan Murphy is Chair of Leadership Development in the Business School at the University of Edinburgh. She was formerly Director of the School of Strategic Leadership Studies at James Madison University and Professor of Leadership Studies. She has published in Leadership Quarterly, Organizational Behaviour and Human Decision Making, Journal of Vocational Behaviour, Journal of Business and Psychology, and the Journal of Applied Psychology. We explore leadership development across the lifespan - a concept with so many possibilities for practitioners and scholars alike.Quotes from This Episode"but at adolescence, if we could get more people thinking more broadly about leadership, broadly defined, I think it would be very, very useful.""...but the kids who are more outgoing, who might have early verbal skills would be the ones you might see taking the leadership roles."  "...and one of the things we noticed in this data set of about 1000 people was, young people have very stereotyped views of what leaders do."Resources/Links to Discussion Topics:Susan's Profile Susan's Publications ♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textEpisode six features a relevant and timely conversation with Dr. Susan Komives, Professor Emerita at the University of Maryland. We had a wonderful discussion about a wide range of topics within the domain of leadership education. For those interested in developing their knowledge, skills, and abilities, Susan explores several insights. For those tasked with developing leaders, Susan shares her wisdom and reminds us that our ultimate goal is to prepare men and women to create community any place they may go...Quotes from This EpisodeOn approaching individual student leader development: "First, I would want to get to know them better build a relationship. But then I would also want to better understand where they are in their own conception of what leadership is.""Anybody in a leader role and anybody in a leadership context should look at making it an inclusive environment.""So if I were to emphasize anything it would be to teach people how to create communities around them any place they may go, and in the community, people care about you."On what she wants for students leaving a leadership program: "I would want them to come out saying I'm a person of character... I see myself as ethical, honest, and trustworthy."Resources/Links to Discussion Topics:Article - Developing a Leadership Identity: A Grounded TheoryBook - Exploring Leadership: For College Students Who Want to Make a Difference Book - Leadership for a Better World: Understanding the Social Change Model of Leadership Development♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textK. Anders Ericsson is a Professor of Psychology at Florida State University. He is a pioneer in the study of expertise and the notion of "deliberate practice" as a core process for achieving expert performance. We discuss how his work, may translate to leadership and leadership development. Our conversation highlights several opportunities and considerations for aspiring leaders or leadership educators. In fact, for some practitioners and scholars, it could constitute their life's work...Quotes from This Episode"I would say that too many people are really looking for compliments. But basically, they're really not interested now and getting genuine reactions to what they were doing that if they actually wanted to get better they should pay attention to the things that they could improve as opposed more or less getting comments that make them feel good about what they just did.""And I think that's one of the signs that I would argue, has been true here for all the people that I would call expert performers, is that they actually are actively seeking feedback.""And it seems to me that the first step is actually recording and ideally by allowing our videotapes to be made, so you actually now have something that can be built up as a knowledge base.""Some of the experts I've talked to, are willing to share things that they did incorrectly. And I think that's the ultimate kind of confidence sign is that you have a good sense of what you can do. So you can actually show how you made mistakes when you started out, that will now actually be very helpful to other individuals who are in a similar stage of their career."Resources/Links to Discussion Topics:K. Anders Ericsson - Florida State UniversityBook - Peak: Secrets from the New Science of ExpertiseArticle - The role of deliberate practice in the acquisition of expert performance♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.

Send us a textEd O'Malley is the President & CEO of the Kansas Leadership Center (KLC). KLC is a non-profit organization committed to fostering leadership for stronger, healthier, and more prosperous Kansas communities. We discuss how KLC is exploring the activity of leadership and its unique and innovative approach to education. My favorite quote from our chat - "Leadership is about intervening skillfully so that others become mobilized to take up the cause." Yes!Quotes from This Episode"We're saying that leadership and authority are two totally different things. Sometimes people in authority, exercise leadership, sometimes they don't.""But we also believe that leadership is incredibly risky. And therefore we think it's incredibly rare. So we think leadership is an activity. It's a risky one. And therefore it doesn't happen very often.""It's mobilizing others to make progress on their most daunting challenges.""So that's what we're about at KLC. We work with thousands of people a year, building their capacity to solve problems and to seize opportunities."Resources/Links to Discussion Topics:Ed O'Malley - President and Chief Executive Officer, Kansas Leadership Center.On The Balcony - KLC Web SeriesKLC PublicationsKLC Teaching Resources♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.📜 Subscribe to my weekly newsletter featuring four hand-picked articles.🌎 You can learn more about my work on my Website.