

GTM Live
Passetto
GTM Live is a new evolution of Revenue Vitals by Chris Walker, now hosted by Carolyn Dilks & Trevor Gibson, Co-Founders of Passetto — a part tech, part advisory GTM agency for high-performing B2B SaaS companies.
This weekly live show is built for CEOs, CFOs & Revenue Leaders who know the current way GTM is executed & measured is broken, and are ready for something better.
We cut through the noise & ditch outdated playbooks. No fluff. No vanity metrics. Just honest, modern conversations about how to track & optimize GTM for what actually matters: unit economics, efficiency & long-term growth.
This weekly live show is built for CEOs, CFOs & Revenue Leaders who know the current way GTM is executed & measured is broken, and are ready for something better.
We cut through the noise & ditch outdated playbooks. No fluff. No vanity metrics. Just honest, modern conversations about how to track & optimize GTM for what actually matters: unit economics, efficiency & long-term growth.
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Sep 12, 2020 • 52min
56 - The E-Book is Dead | Alice de Courcy (CMO, Cognism)
Chris Walker joined Alice de Courcy (CMO, Cognism) for a fireside chat about e-books. He shared his thoughts on what marketers should be channeling their time and energy into instead of the traditional e-book and suggests other methods of tracking past the initial download for those that still choose to produce them. Alice and Chris have differing thoughts on the use and effectiveness of the e-book and both make a compelling case for when and how they should be used in conjunction with other tactics in a marketing strategy.
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Sep 9, 2020 • 1h 40min
55 - The Growth at all Costs Mindset | Demand Gen Live S1 x25
Over 50 marketers and sales folks gathered together on Zoom for Demand Gen Live this Tuesday. We were joined by Megan Bowen (CCO, Refine Labs) and discussed: The "growth at all costs" mindset; Why intelligent leaders stop innovating; ABM and Intent data - if and when to use both; and Why some CEOs resist investing in marketing.
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Sep 7, 2020 • 1h 14min
54 - Spend Your Budget Like It's Your Own Money | Champagne Strategy with John James
Chris Walker joined John James on the Champagne Strategy podcast last week to talk about a wide range of topics across marketing, sales, and entrepreneurship. They covered:
Why organizations invest heavily in sales headcount as a replacement for lack of demand, and what happens as a result thereof;
What Chris's entrepreneurial background taught him about how people make purchasing decisions;
How to spend your marketing budget like it's your own money; and
The difference between high performing teams and high potential teams.
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Sep 5, 2020 • 32min
53 - Stuck in the Metrics | Jason Widup (VP Marketing @ metadata.io)
Jason Widup, VP of Marketing at metadata.io, joined us on State of Demand Gen to share his thoughts on marketing in 2020. We talked about how we define performance marketing and how it fits into the overall marketing strategy, why paid social isn’t an intent channel, and what happens when you are stuck in an endless cycle of measuring TOO much.
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Sep 2, 2020 • 1h 42min
52 - Identifying True Intent | Demand Gen Live S1 x24
We broke the record for the longest Demand Gen Live to date on last night's installment. We discussed: What should my ROI be on Google Ads; How can you identify true intent; Partnership marketing strategies; Is NPS a metric worth considering; What to do when competitors play below the line; and a live Q&A.
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Aug 28, 2020 • 1h 10min
51 - Top of Funnel Outreach with Josh Braun
We hosted an event in early 2020 with Josh Braun in Miami, FL to talk about top of funnel outreach in B2B sales and marketing. Chris and Josh dove into how to get prospects to come knocking on your door and have your brand top of mind when they're ready to buy, as well as how to sell to prospects who may not know they have a problem you can solve.
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Aug 26, 2020 • 1h 33min
50 - Brand vs. Demand | Demand Gen Live S1 x23
Megan Bowen (CCO, Refine Labs) joined us again on Demand Gen Live in Gaetano's place. We talked about: Other alternatives to the sales/marketing compensation divide, how Sales can better align with Marketing on an organic approach, go-to questions when conducting customer research, LinkedIn company page metrics, and separating marketing into brand and demand teams.
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Aug 22, 2020 • 52min
49 - Demand Gen for Sales Leaders | Richard Harris
Richard Harris, Founder of The Harris Consulting Group, came on the State of Demand Gen podcast today. We covered:
What parallels appear in both the sales and marketing worlds;
How measuring the things that don’t matter and don’t map to business results affects the sales org;
What questions should a sales leader be asking to understand demand gen better; and
Where the CRO role fits in the org chart.
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Aug 19, 2020 • 1h 17min
48 - When to Trust Your Gut vs. Your Data | Demand Gen Live S1 x22
Gaetano DiNardi returns for this week's Demand Gen Live. We tackled the following topics: The brand halo effect, when to trust your gut instead of your data, and why you should develop content in-house. We hosted a 45 minute live Q&A following the previous topics.
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Aug 15, 2020 • 26min
47 - The No-Commission Sales Rep | Love Selling Hate Sales with Josh Wagner
Chris Walker joined Josh Wagner on the Love Selling Hate Sales podcast. They talked about: balancing marketing with sales, where the balance lies between building relationships and hitting quotas, how to really get into your customers' shoes, and different trains of thought when it comes to sales rep compensation plans.
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