

GTM Live
Passetto
GTM Live is a new evolution of Revenue Vitals by Chris Walker, now hosted by Carolyn Dilks & Trevor Gibson, Co-Founders of Passetto — a part tech, part advisory GTM agency for high-performing B2B SaaS companies.
This weekly live show is built for CEOs, CFOs & Revenue Leaders who know the current way GTM is executed & measured is broken, and are ready for something better.
We cut through the noise & ditch outdated playbooks. No fluff. No vanity metrics. Just honest, modern conversations about how to track & optimize GTM for what actually matters: unit economics, efficiency & long-term growth.
This weekly live show is built for CEOs, CFOs & Revenue Leaders who know the current way GTM is executed & measured is broken, and are ready for something better.
We cut through the noise & ditch outdated playbooks. No fluff. No vanity metrics. Just honest, modern conversations about how to track & optimize GTM for what actually matters: unit economics, efficiency & long-term growth.
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Oct 12, 2020 • 57min
66 - Metrics are not More Important than Outcomes | The Growth Leadership Show
Chris Walker joined Sandro Meyer on The Growth Leadership Show to talk about: why other people don't post regularly on LinkedIn, what happens when metrics become more important than the outcome, the importance of primary market research, content creation and distribution, and what you can outsource vs. what you can't.
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Oct 10, 2020 • 47min
65 - The Demand Do’s and Don’ts | Latané Conant (CMO, 6sense)
Latané Conant, CMO at 6sense, joined Chris Walker on State of Demand Gen to go into more detail about the concepts that are discussed in her new book “No Forms. No Spam. No Cold Calls.”
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Oct 7, 2020 • 1h 36min
64 - Demand Predictions for 2021 | Demand Gen Live S2 x01
Last night we kicked off Season 2 of Demand Gen Live with our co-hosts Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs) and Megan Bowen (CCO, Refine Labs). We leaned harder into the AMA format and covered a variety of topics including:
Being proactive vs. reactive in the sales process and with customers;
Why meaningful content should be incorporated throughout the entire sales and customer journey;
Launching into a new market with a new product;
Customer at-risk identification programs; and
2021 Demand predictions
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Oct 3, 2020 • 53min
63 - Marketing is not Sales and Sales is not Marketing | Darryl Praill
Chris interviewed Darryl Praill (CRO @ VanillaSoft) on State of Demand Gen this week to talk about marketing, sales, and where both sit in the organization. They discuss common frictions between the two teams, and how they can work together to achieve a shared goal...revenue.
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Sep 30, 2020 • 1h 24min
62 - "Nurturing" Leads in Long Sales Cycles | Demand Gen Live S1 x28
In the Season 1 Finale of Demand Gen Live, we had Gaetano DiNardi (Director of Growth Marketing, Nextiva) back to go through a stacked agenda.
We covered:
-Scaling a global demand team,
-Why Enterprise companies don't publish pricing,
-Hot takes on LinkedIn stories,
-Why is it so hard to hire top demand gen talent?, and
-Better ways to nurture "leads" in long sales cycles.
Tune in next week LIVE for Season 2!
Link to register here: https://zoom.us/meeting/register/uJIpdO-vqDsoxeNkHjM_AAG9HFI9m9SKGQ
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Sep 28, 2020 • 38min
61 - Why Your Company Should Start a Podcast | Brands That Podcast w/ Erik Jacobson
Erik Jacobson (CEO, Lemonpie) interviewed Chris Walker on "Brands That Podcast" to talk about Chris's thoughts on what most B2B companies are doing wrong in regards to leads and attribution. He also goes into detail about the State of Demand Gen podcast and how companies should be integrating podcasting and organic LinkedIn thought leadership into their marketing strategy.
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Sep 26, 2020 • 41min
60 - Focus on THEM, not You | Scott Rivers (Managing Partner, Cerca Talent+)
Chris sat down with Scott Rivers (Managing Partner, Cerca Talent+) to talk about modern marketing. They touched on how to can get to a place with your marketing where you are allowing your buyers to learn about your product in the way that THEY want, as well as how to commit to, set expectations, and get buy-in throughout your organization when running a new experiment.
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Sep 23, 2020 • 1h 15min
59 - Facebook Ads in 2021 | Demand Gen Live S1 x27
Gaetano DiNardi (Director of Growth Marketing, Nextiva) joined us once again for the 27th installment of Demand Gen Live. We covered: why overweight sales teams can get marketers stuck on the lead gen hamster wheel, why Facebook ads should remain in your 2021 marketing mix, and also hosted a live AMA and took questions from the attendees.
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Sep 19, 2020 • 55min
58 - If You Want to Be Average, Outsource Your Content | Jonathan Beaton (VP Marketing, IntSights)
Chris Walker was joined by Jonathan Beaton, VP of Marketing at IntSights, to talk through the marketing values they hold that go against the grain. They touched on how they got where they are today, how to stay ahead of the curve, performance marketing, outsourcing content, and modern PR.
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Sep 16, 2020 • 1h 9min
57 - Why Your Company Should Start a Podcast | Demand Gen Live S1 x26
This installment of Demand Gen Live marks 6 months since we started the series on Zoom. We dove into why your company should seriously consider starting a podcast and did an in depth live paid social and search analysis of a B2B SaaS company. We concluded with a live Q&A and an incentivized challenge for our attendees.
NOTE: The live B2B paid social & search breakdown was cut out from this audio recording. To view the screen share, check out Demand Gen Live x26 on the Refine Labs YouTube channel.
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