
Drive and Convert
In this bi-weekly show, hosts Jon MacDonald (The Good) and Ryan Garrow (Logical Position) share their best advice for helping businesses drive high quality traffic to their site, and making sure that traffic converts from a visitor to a buyer. Subscribe if you want to become and expert in customer acquisition and conversion rate optimization.
Latest episodes

Apr 18, 2025 • 51min
Episode 126: Heavy-Duty Growth with Ironman 4x4
In this episode, Ryan interviews Luke Schnacke, CEO of Ironman 4x4 USA, to explore the company’s impressive journey to growth. From strategic moves to off-road innovation, Luke shares how Ironman 4x4 carved its path in a competitive market and what’s driving their momentum today. If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Jan 28, 2025 • 31min
Episode 125: Larger the Brand, More Complicated the Traffic
Not all online businesses need the same amount of traffic. In this episode, Jon and Ryan discuss how consideration, target market, and budget impact traffic for both startups and industry leaders.Check out the full episode to learn:What a traffic moat is, and why established brands want to create them.What startups should focus on when it comes to generating traffic.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Jan 14, 2025 • 28min
Episode 124: The Fundamentals of SaaS Marketing Website Design
Designing a successful SaaS marketing website requires a strategic focus on user needs and behaviors. Identifying pain points is crucial for engaging content. The difference between poor and effective user experiences is illustrated with real-world examples. Clarity in communication boosts product understanding, while regular testing ensures designs meet user expectations. Tailored landing pages and mobile optimization enhance conversions, emphasizing collaboration between marketing and development.

Dec 31, 2024 • 28min
Episode 123: New Year, New Marketing
2024 was the year social ads made a serious comeback, and the focus on social selling will continue into 2025. In this episode, Jon and Ryan discuss how YouTube is poised to impact the marketing stack in 2025.Check out the full episode to learn:Why YouTube's roster of influencers and the YouTube Shopping program are attracting media spend.The four unique ways YouTube can track attribution.How brands should get started with YouTube in 2025.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Dec 17, 2024 • 19min
Episode 122: How To Leverage Priming & Expectation Setting
Aligning your online experience with user expectations is crucial. In this episode, Jon and Ryan discuss how to leverage the priming & expectation setting heuristic to increase conversions.Check out the full episode to learn:what the priming & expectation setting heuristic is, and how it works.how to determine if you are violating this heuristic.examples of tactics that leverage this heuristic.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Dec 3, 2024 • 27min
Episode 121: Don't Forget to Take a Break Post-BFCM
We've made it through Black Friday and Cyber Monday. In this episode, Jon and Ryan discuss the benefits of taking a break post-BFCM.Check out the full episode to learn:Why prioritizing time away from the business is important.When during the business cycle it's most valuable to step back and think. Tips for making the most of your time away.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Nov 19, 2024 • 27min
Episode 120: I’m Running Experiments. Why Hasn’t My Conversion Rate Gone Up?
Experimentation is crucial for growth, yet not always linked to improved conversion rates. The hosts discuss how real-world variables complicate the interpretation of results and why focusing solely on conversion rates can be misleading. They highlight the importance of user segmentation and caution against false positives in experiments. The conversation encourages a holistic approach to digital optimization, emphasizing the ongoing value of experimentation despite economic pressures. It's a nuanced look at making sense of metrics in a complex digital landscape.

Nov 5, 2024 • 30min
Episode 119: Amazon Growth – What Brands Need To Do To Succeed
During Q4, new channels seem to become more attractive to brands, especially if they are missing growth targets. Amazon is the largest ecommerce channel out there, but simply having your products on Amazon doesn’t mean you’re going to boost sales or profitability. In this episode, Jon and Ryan discuss what brands need to do in order to have success on Amazon.Check out the full episode to learn:How to determine if Amazon is right for your brand.How to get started on the platform. Tips for setting realistic expectations.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Oct 22, 2024 • 20min
Episode 118: Launching Site Updates With Confidence
This week on Drive & Convert, Jon and Ryan discuss how to quickly validate ideas so you can launch site updates with confidence.Check out the full episode to learn:The process of smoke testing (and where the name comes from).The benefits of using smoke testing for quick validation. The 5 steps of the smoke testing process.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Oct 8, 2024 • 23min
Episode 117: Holiday Prep & the Tech Stack for Success
This week on Drive & Convert, Jon and Ryan discuss preparing for holiday 2024 and the recommended tech stack for success. Check out the full episode to learn:What companies like Google and other industry leaders are predicting for the 2024 holiday season.Why it's critical to start planning earlier than ever.Ryan's recommendations for building a holiday tech stack.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.
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