
Drive and Convert
In this bi-weekly show, hosts Jon MacDonald (The Good) and Ryan Garrow (Logical Position) share their best advice for helping businesses drive high quality traffic to their site, and making sure that traffic converts from a visitor to a buyer. Subscribe if you want to become and expert in customer acquisition and conversion rate optimization.
Latest episodes

Sep 24, 2024 • 30min
Episode 116: How to Convert Free Trial Users to Paying Customers
This week on Drive & Convert, Jon and Ryan discuss how to convert free trial users to paying customers. Check out the full episode to learn:The importance of optimizing the free trial experience for SaaS brands.How to gain an understanding of the factors that motivate your users to buy.Proven strategies to encourage your users to convert from free to paid.The resource Jon mentions in the episode can be found on thegood.com here.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon Macdonald and Ryan Garrow.

Sep 10, 2024 • 18min
Episode 115: Amazon Prime Day 2024 Insights
This week on Drive & Convert, Jon and Ryan discuss the July 2024 Amazon Prime Day event and its effect on the ecommerce landscape. Check out the full episode to learn:Pricing tactics used by brands leading up to, during, and after the event.Consumers' perceptions of deals and discounts.How the event may impact the upcoming holiday shopping season.If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon Macdonald and Ryan Garrow.

Aug 27, 2024 • 27min
Episode 114: What is the Best Heatmap Software for Researchers?
While analytics, interviews, and surveys offer valuable insights, nothing compares to watching how users actually engage with your site. That is where heatmaps come in. However, not every heatmap software is created equally.This week on Drive & Convert, Jon talks all things heat maps! From their various uses to which heatmap tool is truly the best, join us for an episode that is a researcher's dream. Check out the full episode to learn:The value of using heat mapping toolsHow Hotjar stands out from its competitorsOther tools you can use to see what your site visitors are doingIf you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon Macdonald and Ryan Garrow.

Aug 13, 2024 • 29min
Episode 113 : Where Did Organic Click Share Go?
After walking 100 miles across a wall in Europe (for vacation!?), Ryan is back and wondering what walls brands can build that will net them better traffic.In this week’s episode, Ryan tells Jon all about what he learned from reading a recent study on zero-click searches. They discuss the amount of clicks that go to organic listings vs. Google-owned properties and ways to pivot focus to optimize your marketing budget.Listen to the full episode to learn:How to find a middle ground between SEO and other marketing strategiesWhat has been the impact of AI in Google search results on click-through ratesHow focusing on smaller areas can help you drive trafficWhy Ryan would walk 100 miles while on vacationIf you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Jul 30, 2024 • 25min
Episode 112: Solve Common Optimization Issues Using Heuristics
Every day we make a million little decisions without ever giving it a second thought. This is because our brains are wired to take shortcuts and make quick decisions. If you understand and follow the shortcuts your users are taking, you can shift the focus to enhancing their experience and help them achieve their goals on your site quickly and efficiently.This week, Drive and Convert takes you on a journey through the six heuristics for digital experience optimization and how they come together to create a better digital experience for users.Check out the full episode to learn:How to build trust, confidence, and credibilityHow to create a smooth path to purchase for usersWhat heuristics are and the potential outcomes of utilizing themIf you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon Macdonald and Ryan Garrow.

Jul 16, 2024 • 24min
Episode 111: Google Broad Match Is Back
Just like Google is changing, Ryan’s stance on broad match is changing too. In this week's episode, Ryan gets candid about his opinion on broad match and why he now believes it to be valuable… in certain situations.Google has used AI for its broad match keyword feature for years, but haven't always been forthcoming about it. Now that there is transparency about how the feature works, Some interesting use cases have become clear. Google isn’t just throwing ads around, there is calculation and intent behind search results when this feature is in use.Check out the full episode to learn:How your brand should control keyword match typesWhat user data Google uses to assume intent when showing adsIn what ways the different match types have changedIf you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Jul 2, 2024 • 24min
Episode 110: What is Digital Experience Optimization?
Jon MacDonald, CEO specializing in Digital Experience Optimization, discusses the shift from Conversion Rate Optimization to Digital Experience Optimization (DXO). He explores the importance of understanding the digital journey as a whole and making meaningful changes to websites/applications for improved user experience and business success.

Jun 18, 2024 • 33min
Episode 109: Google is Changing... Again
Google is constantly changing. In just the last year, digital leaders have seen the sunset of Google Optimize, a transition from Universal Analytics to GA4, and countless algorithm changes. Now, we’re bracing for Google’s latest wave of updates to payments and AI implementation.If you're involved in digital marketing, own a business, or interact with any Google product, this episode is a must-listen. Jon and Ryan, seasoned professionals in the field, delve into the implications of Google’s latest updates and how they directly affect you.Listen to the full episode if you want to learn:How ad payments on Google are changingHow Google is using AIHow broad match keywords will change the way your ads appearWhat to look for to maintain integrity while using Google Ads revenue trackingIf you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.

Jun 4, 2024 • 30min
Episode 108: The Five Factors of Digital Success
Discover why traditional benchmarking is ineffective and learn about the 5-Factors Scorecard™ for measuring success. Explore the key competencies that set high-performance teams apart and how they can impact annual performance targets and customer satisfaction. Dive into the importance of user-centered approaches, optimizing data stacks, and understanding user behaviors for digital success.

May 23, 2024 • 21min
Episode 107: Grow with Garrow is LIVE!
Tired of navigating the ecommerce world alone?Well, we have some good news. Ryan is about to launch a community where like-minded business owners can connect, share insights, and troubleshoot challenges – without hidden agendas or sales pitches. Grow with Garrow is a Slack-based community for entrepreneurs seeking guidance and support. In this episode, Jon and Ryan dive into the purpose and power of Grow with Garrow, emphasizing the importance of community, hard work, and actionable advice.Listen to the full episode if you want to learn:Why there is a need for an ecommerce community What people can expect from Grow with Garrow Why hard work is essential to business success How Grow with Garrow will be different from the email list Ryan is offering a special discount code for the Drive & Convert listeners. Get 50% off for the first three months with the code: driveandconvert. If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We're Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow.
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