
NatSec Matters
Former senior national security officials Michael Allen, Jeremy Bash, and Andrew Shapiro interview top leaders in national security, including intelligence officers, military leaders, and policymakers, on the most critical security challenges of our time. Their interviews offer insights into the world’s most pressing problems and assess the effectiveness of U.S. policy responses. They also explore the biographies and careers of individuals who have devoted their lives to protecting our nation, offering listeners a rare glimpse into the inner workings of national security decision-making.
Latest episodes

Apr 24, 2024 • 38min
Cyber Intelligence: Andrew Boyd
Former CIA Center for Cyber Intelligence Director Andrew Boyd discusses cyber threats from China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and ransomware groups. Topics include US cybersecurity strategy, partnerships with private sector, challenges of AI, and the evolving cyber threat landscape.

Apr 17, 2024 • 43min
ISIS-K: Former CIA Executive Dave Pitts
Michael talks to Former Assistant Director of CIA for South and Central Asia Dave Pitts about the threat of ISIS-K. Before retiring in October, Pitts was among the last American officials on the ground during the US withdrawal from Afghstanistan in August 2021. He discusses the growing threat of ISIS-K, which has been operating in the country, and around the region. Michael and Dave also reflect on the state of Al-Qaeda.

Apr 10, 2024 • 37min
Worldwide Threats: Michael & Andy
Michael and Andy discuss the 2024 worldwide threat report, focusing on issues like space, ISIS-K, Iran, and China. They analyze the implications on global security, including China's advancements in space tech and cyber capabilities. The podcast dives into the fragility of the global order, US soft power, and the importance of understanding adversaries' perceptions for effective policymaking.

Apr 3, 2024 • 42min
Somalia & Ukraine: Army Ranger veteran James Lechner
Army Ranger veteran James Lechner discusses his experiences in Somalia during Black Hawk Down and in Ukraine. He shares intense details of missions, survival in battles, and transition to supporting Ukrainian military. Comparisons of unity between Ukraine and the US are also explored.

Mar 27, 2024 • 46min
National Security Law: Judge James Baker
Former Chief Judge James Baker and host Andy discuss national security law, Baker's journey from the Marine Corps to upholding the Constitution, the US Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces, the Centaur Model balancing human-machine AI development, regulation versus innovation in AI, and navigating technological advancements in law.

Mar 20, 2024 • 51min
Iran: John Sotos
Former CIA analyst John Sotos discusses Iran's goals in the Mideast, relations with the US, domestic support for the regime, and modern-day challenges since the Iranian Revolution. Topics include Iran's pursuit of regional power, internal struggles, success in regional objectives, and uncertainties facing the Islamic Republic.

Mar 13, 2024 • 46min
Gender & Disguise at the CIA: Jonna Mendez
Former CIA Chief of Disguise, Jonna Mendez, shares her experiences as a woman in a male-dominated agency, her unconventional journey into the CIA, and the innovative methods for secure communication used in intelligence operations.

Mar 6, 2024 • 39min
Tech at the CIA: Nand Mulchandani
Explore the Chief Technology Officer at the CIA, bridging tech companies with national security needs, and nurturing the next generation of tech enthusiasts

Feb 28, 2024 • 49min
'Live' at Yale
Michael and Andy speak to International Security Studies students and community members at Yale, in New Haven, Connecticut, for a special episode. Moderated by the Jackson School of Global Affairs's Ted Wittenstein, they discuss the challenges facing US intelligence agencies today including China, Russia, and the Israel-Gaza war. They also talk about what it takes to be a superior intelligence officer and analyst, and how to make national security decisions in the 21st century.

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Feb 21, 2024 • 37min
The Art of Strategy: Hal Brands
Discussion with Hal Brands on the art of strategy throughout history, exploring US strategy towards China, proxy warfare tactics by Iran, and the global strategic vision of John Quincy Adams.
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