
NatSec Matters
Former senior national security officials Michael Allen, Jeremy Bash, and Andrew Shapiro interview top leaders in national security, including intelligence officers, military leaders, and policymakers, on the most critical security challenges of our time. Their interviews offer insights into the world’s most pressing problems and assess the effectiveness of U.S. policy responses. They also explore the biographies and careers of individuals who have devoted their lives to protecting our nation, offering listeners a rare glimpse into the inner workings of national security decision-making.
Latest episodes

Feb 14, 2024 • 44min
'Live' at Texas A&M Bush School in Washington
Michael and Andy visit the Washington, D.C., campus of the Texas A&M Bush School of Government and Public Service where they record a 'live' episode of the podcast with students and others. They discuss current national security threats, how the government handles classified documents, careers in the intelligence community, and artificial intelligence.

Feb 7, 2024 • 39min
The 'Russian Mindset': Rolf Mowatt-Larssen
Former CIA Moscow chief Rolf Mowatt-Larssen discusses the 'Russian mindset' and its influence on Putin's actions in Ukraine. Topics include preparing children for dangers, significance of puppet shows, lack of peace in Russia, and reasons for pessimism in the war in Ukraine.

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Jan 31, 2024 • 47min
American Dynamism & Tech Innovation: Marc Andreessen
Marc Andreessen, Silicon Valley venture capitalist and software engineer, discusses American tech innovation and its impact on national security. He explores the historical relationship between the tech industry and the federal government, the challenges of regulating biotech and AI, and the need for collaboration in facing technological disruption to national security.

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Jan 24, 2024 • 44min
Chinese Cognitive Warfare: Josh Baughman
Josh Baughman, analyst at the China Aerospace Studies Institute at Air University, discusses China's cognitive warfare program, including social media tactics, control of public opinion in China through WeChat, the power of language for shaping narratives, and the role of emerging technologies in cognitive warfare.

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Jan 17, 2024 • 39min
Targeting a Nuclear Smuggler: Jim Lawler
Former Chief of the CIA's Counterproliferation Division's Special Activities Unit, Jim Lawler, discusses targeting the 'Father of Pakistan's Nuclear Program' Abdul Qadeer Khan. He also talks about his espionage novels and the challenges of dealing with non-state worldwide networks. The podcast explores the life and actions of nuclear smuggler Akukan, Khan's influence in Pakistan, unraveling Khan's nuclear network, and the role of human intelligence in the modern era.

Jan 9, 2024 • 42min
Taiwan: Bonnie Glaser
Taiwan expert Bonnie Glaser discusses the upcoming presidential election in Taiwan, including the candidates and polling trends. They also explore the impact of US tax regulatory issues on Taiwan and the implications of the election on cross-strait relations. The chapter concludes with a discussion on deterrence strategies to protect Taiwan from China and encourages listener engagement.

Jan 3, 2024 • 56min
The Year of Living Dangerously: Michael Allen
Michael Allen, Managing Director at Beacon Global Strategies, interviews Michael Morel and Andy McCreitas as they discuss their predictions for national security and intelligence in 2024. They cover potential risks in 2024, Israeli-Hamas conflict, speculation on a coordinated attack involving Iran, US policy towards Iran, and growing tensions between China and the United States.

Dec 27, 2023 • 45min
Artificial Ingelligence: Klon Kitchen
Klon Kitchen from Beacon Global Strategies discusses the implications of AI for national security, including the recent Executive Order on AI. They explore the history and advancements of AI, the role of red teaming in identifying threats, and the importance of diversity. The chapter also emphasizes responsibility and diligence in deploying AI models to avoid potential consequences.

Dec 20, 2023 • 50min
The Evolution of Warfare: Gen. David Petraeus
Andrew talks with Gen. David Petraeus about his new book "Conflict: The Evolution of Warfare from 1945 to Ukraine" which was co-authored with acclaimed military historian Andrew Roberts. Andrew and the former CIA Director discuss decades of U.S. military strategy, China, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and the Israel-Gaza War.

Dec 13, 2023 • 59min
Advising the President: Former National Security Advisors Tom Donilon & Steve Hadley
Former White House National Security Advisors Tom Donilon and Steve Hadley discuss the advisory process, the Israel-Gaza War, China and Russia, and 21st century challenges to intelligence and national security.
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