

The Addicted Mind Podcast
Duane Osterlind, LMFT
"The Addicted Mind Podcast" offers hope, understanding, and guidance for those dealing with addiction, with real stories and research to inspire and show the journey to recovery is worth it.We're here to do more than just talk about addiction. We want to show you how to heal and recover.Our talks with experts and people who have beaten addiction give you important insights into how addiction affects the mind and how recovery can happen in many ways. Whether we're looking at new treatment ideas or sharing stories that inspire, "The Addicted Mind Podcast" is all about understanding the complex world of addiction recovery and showing that recovery is possible.If you or someone you care about is dealing with the challenges of addiction, let "The Addicted Mind Podcast" be your friend and guide. We aim to give you the knowledge you need, share stories that inspire you, and show you that the journey to recovery is worth it.Subscribe now to be part of a community focused on learning, healing, and changing for the better. Your journey to a healthier mind and life begins right here.
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Mar 20, 2025 • 26min
TAM+ EP 61: Family Roles in Addiction Recovery
In this episode of The Addicted Mind Plus, Duane and Eric dive deep into the unspoken roles that families often fall into, especially when dealing with addiction. They explore how these roles—like the hero, caretaker, scapegoat, mascot, and lost child—can perpetuate dysfunction and hinder recovery. By understanding and identifying these roles, you can begin to break free from the cycles that keep you stuck. Tune in to learn practical steps for recognizing these dynamics, fostering open communication, and setting boundaries that support your journey toward recovery and authentic living.Download: UNMASKING FAMILY ROLES WORKSHEETJoin Our Deep Dive, where we discuss this episode in depth.Register Here: https://theaddictedmind.com/deepdiveClick Here to Join the TAM + Community Waitlist. Get the support you need.Key Topics
Understanding common family roles in addiction
The impact of these roles on personal well-being
Historical context and development of family therapy
Practical steps for changing dysfunctional family dynamics
Importance of self-care and therapeutic support
Timestamp
[00:01:00] - Introduction to the episode and topic
[00:02:16] - Explanation of family roles and their impact
[00:05:23] - Historical background of family therapy and roles
[00:11:00] - Detailed discussion of each family role
[00:20:11] - Practical steps for identifying and changing roles
[00:23:00] - Importance of self-care and boundary setting
[00:24:03] - Information about additional resources and deep dives
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Mar 17, 2025 • 45min
325: The Transformative Power of Forgiveness: Insights from Dr. Frederic Luskin and Lyndon Harris
Discover the profound insights of Dr. Frederic Luskin, renowned psychologist and director of the Stanford Forgiveness Project, as he unpacks the powerful role forgiveness plays in our lives. Alongside him, former Episcopal priest, Lyndon Harris shares his compelling journey of healing after the 9/11 tragedy, illustrating the transformative power of forgiveness. Together, they share personal narratives and professional insights that highlight forgiveness as a vital skill for mental and emotional well-being.Our conversation dives deep into the complex dynamics between forgiveness and survival. We explore how anger can initially serve as a source of empowerment but often becomes a restrictive force that holds us back. By recognizing forgiveness as a skill that can be taught and honed over time, supported by extensive research, we reveal how it can shift individuals from a victim mindset to a more empowered life story. This episode sheds light on how forgiveness, though not a moral directive, is an essential component of self-care that can be developed to improve our capacity for compassion and authentic living.In this episode, you will hear:
Exploration of forgiveness as a vital skill for mental and emotional well-being
Discussion on the complex relationship between anger, empowerment, and forgiveness
Emphasis on forgiveness as a teachable skill, supported by academic research
The role of gratitude and self-forgiveness in the healing process
Practical tools and advice for overcoming resentment and embracing compassion
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Mar 13, 2025 • 18min
TAM+ EP 60: Rewiring Your Recovery: The Power of a Growth Mindset
Have you ever thought, "I've tried recovery before and failed—why try again?" or "This is just who I am"? These beliefs might be the biggest barrier to lasting recovery. In this solo episode, licensed therapist Duane Osterlind shares how a growth mindset can transform your recovery journey. Drawing from Dr. Carol Dweck's research, Duane explains how viewing your abilities and capacity for recovery as things that can grow and change (rather than fixed traits) makes all the difference. Recovery is rarely a straight path. For many, it's a series of hopeful starts followed by setbacks. Each relapse can make doubt grow louder: "Maybe I'm not strong enough," or "Maybe I'll always be this way." These thoughts aren't just discouraging—they actively harm recovery. When we believe change isn’t possible, we avoid challenges, give up easily, and see effort as pointless. This mindset isn’t just psychological—it impacts physical health, increases stress, and perpetuates addiction. But there is another way. A growth mindset recognizes that your brain is neuroplastic—able to form new pathways throughout life. The same neuroplasticity that allowed addiction to take hold can help you build healthier habits. Through this lens, relapse becomes valuable data, not failure, offering insights about triggers and strategies for meaningful change. Duane shares practical steps to build this mindset, like becoming aware of your self-talk, reframing challenges, embracing "the power of yet," and celebrating effort over outcomes. Recovery becomes about resilience and growth, not perfection. Ready to change your approach?Download the free growth mindset worksheet in the show notes.Download The WorksheetJoin The Addicted Mind Plus Community for more support.Join The CommunityKey Topics:
The difference between fixed mindset and growth mindset in recovery
How neuroplasticity makes lasting change possible in addiction
Viewing relapses as learning opportunities rather than failures
Practical techniques to develop a growth mindset in recovery
The importance of celebrating effort over perfect outcomes
How seeking feedback strengthens your recovery journey
Finding inspiration in others who have successfully changed
Episode Timestamps:[00:00:54] Introduction to growth mindset in addiction recovery [00:04:21] The research behind mindset theory and Dr. Carol Dweck's work [00:07:00] Understanding brain neuroplasticity in addiction and recovery [00:09:39] Actionable steps to develop a growth mindset in recovery [00:12:31] The power of adding "yet" to negative self-statements [00:14:05] The importance of seeking constructive feedback [00:16:00] Closing thoughts: "Becoming is better than being" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 10, 2025 • 33min
324: Breaking Free from High-Functioning Codependency with Terri Cole
High-functioning codependency takes center stage as we welcome licensed psychotherapist and boundary expert Terri Cole to the Addicted Mind podcast. With a unique journey from a talent agent to a psychotherapist, Terri shares her personal experiences and insights from her book, "Too Much: A Guide to Breaking the Cycle of High-Functioning Codependency." We dive into the world of individuals who seem to manage life with ease yet secretly bear the weight of excessive responsibilities. Terri provides valuable strategies to help listeners recognize and break free from these patterns, offering a path towards healthier relationships and personal well-being.The episode also shines a light on the connection between highly sensitive people and high-functioning codependency. Terri and I explore the challenges of managing the instinct to control others' emotions and the importance of setting healthy boundaries. Personal anecdotes bring these discussions to life, including the struggle to support a loved one while respecting their autonomy. By acknowledging the discomfort of letting go, listeners can learn to empower others to be the heroes of their own stories, fostering genuine connection and intimacy.In this episode, you will hear:
High-functioning codependency and its hidden struggles explored with Terri Cole
Transition from talent agent to psychotherapist; insights from Terri's book "Too Much"
Connection between highly sensitive people and high-functioning codependency
Strategies for setting boundaries and fostering healthier relationships
Embracing vulnerability and authenticity as part of recovery
Importance of self-discovery and courage to disappoint for personal growth
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Mar 6, 2025 • 18min
TAM+ EP 59: Rewire Your Brain: The Power of Personal Mantras for Recovery
Imagine this: You're in the middle of a stressful moment. Your heart races, shame creeps in, and that familiar voice in your head starts up again: "I'm a failure. I'll never change." What if you could stop this spiral with just a few powerful words?In this episode of The Addicted Mind Plus, hosts Duane and Eric explore how creating a personal positive mantra can transform your recovery journey. These simple phrases aren't just feel-good statements—they're powerful tools backed by science that can literally rewire your brain.Our hosts break down how negative automatic thoughts become hardwired through repetition, creating harmful cycles that feel impossible to escape. But there's hope! Using the concept of neuroplasticity—the brain's ability to form new connections—they explain how intentionally shifting these thoughts with personal mantras can change how you feel and respond to stress, shame, and cravings.The episode offers a practical three-step process to create your own personal mantra: identify your automatic negative thoughts, challenge them with more realistic perspectives, and craft a simple, memorable mantra you can use in tough moments. Examples like "This feeling will pass" and "I am stronger than this moment" show how these short phrases can become powerful anchors when you need them most.Duane and Eric emphasize that recovery isn't something we do alone—it's a journey we take together. They share how these mantras, when practiced regularly, become stronger with each use—like doing one rep at the gym.Whether you're new to recovery or looking to strengthen your journey, this episode provides a simple yet powerful tool to help you navigate stress, regulate emotions, and stay grounded when you need it most.Rewire Your Brain: The Power of Personal Mantras for Recovery WorksheetJoin The TAM+ Community >> HereKey Topics
The science behind automatic negative thoughts and how they become hardwired in our brains
How neuroplasticity allows us to create new thought patterns through intentional practice
Three-step process to create your personal coping mantra
Why writing down negative thoughts is crucial to identifying them
The importance of personalizing mantras to make them more effective
How to practice and implement your mantra in daily life
Why community support enhances recovery alongside personal coping skills
Timestamp[00:01:08] Introduction to personal coping mantras and their power in stressful moments[00:03:54] The importance of community in recovery journeys [00:05:00] Understanding how automatic negative thoughts shape our emotions and behaviors [00:06:14] The science and history behind mantras in psychological practice[00:09:00] Step 1: Identifying your automatic negative thoughts [00:11:58] Step 2 & 3: Challenging negative thoughts and creating positive mantras [00:16:09] Resources available for listeners to implement these practices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mar 3, 2025 • 46min
323: Healing from Betrayal: Inner Child Work and Rediscovering Strength with Eddie Capparucci, Ph.D., LPC, C-CSAS, CPCS
Unlock the secret to healing from betrayal as Eddie Caparucci, a seasoned counselor, guides us through the transformative power of inner child work. Gain insights from Eddie as he unravels the intricate tapestry of trauma, betrayal, and recovery. Eddie’s latest book offers a lifeline to those grappling with the pain of infidelity, drawing connections between unresolved childhood wounds and present-day struggles. Together with his wife, Teri, they illuminate a path towards reclaiming one's sense of self and emotional resilience.Join us as we explore the profound impact of childhood experiences on our responses to betrayal. Eddie shares his expertise on identifying core emotional triggers and how these can magnify the hurt of infidelity. By acknowledging the inner child, betrayed partners can begin the journey of healing and learn to separate raw emotions from rational thoughts. With compassion and understanding, this episode shines a light on the complex journey of recovery, empowering listeners to manage emotional distress more effectively.In this episode, you will hear:
Eddie Capparucci discusses healing from betrayal using inner child work, linking unresolved childhood trauma to current emotional issues.
Exploration of betrayal and trauma intersection, offering insights on separating emotions from thoughts for recovery.
Strategies for finding inner strength and resilience after betrayal, focusing on self-empowerment and understanding pain.
The importance of community support and therapy for managing distress and rebuilding trust.
Discussion on identifying emotional triggers and addressing past wounds for recovery and better relationship decisions.
Insights on maintaining healthy relationships by understanding childhood impact on adult emotions and behavior.
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Feb 27, 2025 • 16min
TAM Ep 58: Beyond Values: How Meaning Making Creates Lasting Change
What drives you forward when recovery gets tough? In this powerful follow-up to their episode on values, hosts Duane and Eric Osterlind dive into the concept of "meaning making" – the essential fuel that powers your journey toward your most important goals.Have you ever achieved something you thought would make you happy, only to feel empty afterward? Or felt stuck in life despite doing everything "right"? This episode explores why so many people – even successful ones – struggle with feeling unfulfilled and disconnected from what truly matters to them.Using the framework developed by Thomas Mara, the hosts break down how meaning isn't something external that happens to you – it's something you actively create. If values are your North Star showing you direction, meaning is the engine that moves your boat forward.Duane and Eric explain how distorted meaning-making contributes to anxiety disorders, depression, addiction, and eating disorders – and how reconnecting with authentic meaning can transform recovery. They introduce the concept of "supreme concerns" – the things that matter most to you – and provide practical strategies for identifying them and building your daily life around them.Whether you're struggling with addiction, mental health challenges, or simply feeling disconnected from purpose, this episode offers a roadmap for creating a more authentic, fulfilling life aligned with what truly matters to you. The hosts remind us that meaning-making isn't just a nice addition to recovery – it's essential for building resilience against life's challenges and creating genuine happiness.Don't miss the downloadable worksheet mentioned in the show notes to help you identify your own supreme concerns and start creating more meaning in your life todayDownload the WorksheetKey Topics• The relationship between values and meaning in recovery • Understanding meaning as a perspective rather than inherent in objects • How distorted meaning contributes to mental health disorders • The concept of "supreme concerns" as guideposts for meaningful living • Practical strategies for embedding meaning into everyday life • Overcoming obstacles to meaning making like fear and powerlessness • How alignment with meaning creates resilience and authentic relationshipsTimestamp[00:01:30] Eric's analogy: Values as North Star, meaning as the motor [00:03:00] Defining meaning and why it's personal to each individual [00:05:49] How anxiety and depression distort meaning [00:07:52] The challenge of misalignment even in successful people [00:09:13] Exploring the concept of "supreme concerns" [00:11:43] Overcoming obstacles to meaning making [00:14:00] How meaning making enhances recovery and relationshipsFollow and Review: We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast.Supporting Resources:If you live in California and are looking for counseling or therapy please check out Novus Mindful Life Counseling and Recovery CenterNovusMindfulLife.comWe want to hear from you. Leave us a message or ask us a question: https://www.speakpipe.com/addictedmindDisclaimer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 24, 2025 • 42min
322: A Journey to Authenticity and Empowerment with Dwayne Barnes
Growing up amidst the chaos of a turbulent family life in Detroit, Dwayne Barnes discovered a lifeline in the form of creative expression. His journey from a tumultuous childhood to the bright lights of Hollywood is nothing short of remarkable. During our conversation, Dwayne opens up about how acting became his sanctuary, a place where he could channel the dysfunction of his upbringing into something beautiful and transformative. His debut book, "Their Eyes Were Never on Me," is a raw exploration of self-addiction and limiting beliefs, offering a beacon of hope for those eager to break free from their own chains.Our discussion with Dwayne shines a light on the intricate balance between family challenges and career aspirations. He shares candid reflections on the sacrifices made by loved ones, including a grandmother's unwavering support amidst addiction struggles. Navigating the pressure of Hollywood, Dwayne faced the daunting task of starring in roles that eerily mirrored his own life’s trials. Despite being surrounded by the glamor and allure of fame, he unveils the real-life personal battles and healing processes that unfolded behind the scenes, including the realization of personal issues, obstacles in therapy, and the unyielding quest for resilience.In this episode, you will hear:
Dwayne Barnes' transformative journey from a turbulent childhood in Detroit to success in Hollywood
Acting as a sanctuary; channeling his chaotic upbringing into creative expression
Insights from his book "Their Eyes Were Never on Me," exploring self-addiction and breaking limiting beliefs
The role of family dynamics and sacrifices, including the support of his grandmother, in his journey
Navigating the pressures of fame while facing personal challenges and healing processes
Embracing creativity and spirituality as tools for authentic growth and empowerment
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Feb 20, 2025 • 16min
TAM+ Ep 57: The Power of Values: Your Guide to Authentic Recovery
Are you feeling stuck, unfulfilled, or like you're living someone else's life? In this powerful episode of The Addicted Mind Plus, hosts Duane and Eric Osterlind dive deep into how unclear values might be sabotaging your recovery and overall well-being. Like a rudder on a boat, your values guide you through life's challenges and decisions. Yet many people in recovery struggle because they haven't identified what truly matters to them.The hosts explore how living without clear values can lead to anxiety, depression, and that nagging feeling that something's missing. They share practical insights on how to discover your authentic values across different life areas - from relationships to career choices. Whether you're in recovery or simply seeking a more meaningful life, this episode offers concrete strategies for aligning your actions with what truly matters to you. Plus, listeners get access to a special worksheet to help them define their personal values and start making better decisions today.Download the worksheet: Building a Life & Recovery Guided by Your Values WorksheetKey Topics:
The connection between undefined values and recovery struggles
How misaligned values lead to anxiety, depression, and unfulfillment
The importance of differentiating between personal values and "shoulds" from others
How values change throughout different life stages and circumstances
Using values as a decision-making tool in relationships and career choices
The role of emotion regulation in living according to your values
Practical strategies for defining values in different life domains
Timestamps: [00:01:14] Values as a rudder: The importance of guidance in life [00:02:37] Why values need regular review and refinement [00:04:31] How undefined values impact mental health and recovery [00:06:00] Using values to make better decisions [00:09:35] Breaking down values into specific life categories [00:11:18] Practical examples of applying values to relationships [00:13:21] Access to free values worksheet and resourcesEpisode CreditsIf you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.Follow and Review: We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast.Supporting Resources:If you live in California and are looking for counseling or therapy please check out Novus Mindful Life Counseling and Recovery CenterNovusMindfulLife.comWe want to hear from you. Leave us a message or ask us a question: https://www.speakpipe.com/addictedmindDisclaimer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 17, 2025 • 37min
321: Building Hope and Community for Addiction Recovery with Caitlin Morrison
When Caitlin Morrison found herself facing the bittersweet task of continuing her brother Matthew Perry's legacy, she embraced it with a deep sense of purpose and resilience. On this episode of the Addicted Mind Podcast, Caitlin joins us to share her poignant journey of supporting a loved one through addiction and how it shaped her work at the Matthew Perry Foundation of Canada. Through her story, we unravel the layers of hope, frustration, and the powerful drive to reduce the stigma surrounding addiction.We explore the intricate world of addiction treatment, emphasizing the necessity for extended care and the brain's lengthy healing process. We challenge the misconceptions around addiction by advocating for a perspective that treats it as a chronic disease, akin to diabetes or heart disease. With insights from Caitlin's experiences and Matthew's courageous openness about his struggles, we highlight the importance of long-term support and the role of compassion in recovery.In this episode, you will hear:
Caitlin Morrison's journey continuing her brother Matthew Perry's legacy in addiction support.
The role of the Matthew Perry Foundation of Canada in advocating for long-term recovery.
Addressing addiction as a chronic disease, similar to diabetes or heart disease.
Importance of reducing stigma and embracing compassion in addiction recovery.
The transformative impact of community-centric facilities like the Matthew Perry House in Ottawa.
Matthew Perry's courageous openness about his struggles inspiring others to seek help.
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