

Nikonomics - The Economics of Small Business
Nikolas Hulewsky
Welcome to Nikonomics—the show for entrepreneurs and Wantrapreneurs, looking to make their first million.
I bring firsthand experience, having bought and sold over a dozen businesses, achieved multiple 7-figure exits, and generated over $100 million in revenue.
Each week, I blend humor with real insights from successful entrepreneurs, sharing growth strategies, deal insights, and unique business ideas you won’t find elsewhere.
Ready to turn your entrepreneurial dreams into reality? Hit play and let’s get to work.
Follow me on Twitter @CoFoundersNik or YouTube @NikonomicsPodcast.
I bring firsthand experience, having bought and sold over a dozen businesses, achieved multiple 7-figure exits, and generated over $100 million in revenue.
Each week, I blend humor with real insights from successful entrepreneurs, sharing growth strategies, deal insights, and unique business ideas you won’t find elsewhere.
Ready to turn your entrepreneurial dreams into reality? Hit play and let’s get to work.
Follow me on Twitter @CoFoundersNik or YouTube @NikonomicsPodcast.
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Feb 17, 2025 • 40min
122 - TOP PICK! How to Start a Business in 2025 (Two-Step Guide) with Michael Girdley
🚨MY NEWSLETTER https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribe 🚨Join me, Nik (https://x.com/CoFoundersNik), as I speak with Michael Girdley (https://x.com/girdley), a serial entrepreneur and investor, about building a business, avoiding common mistakes, and identifying future opportunities. Michael shares insights from his diverse experiences, from Alamo Fireworks to Gertling Media, emphasizing the importance of experience and strategic business choices. We delve into overrated business opportunities and explore unconventional business models.Questions this Episode Answers:What two-step process would Michael Girdley follow to build a business in 2025, and how would he make his first million dollars?Why does Michael Girdley advise against buying a business as your first venture, especially for a young entrepreneur?What are some overrated business opportunities in today’s market, and what sectors hold promise for the future?What is Michael Girdley's contrarian belief about business, and how does it influence his perspective on career choices and entrepreneurial paths?What unconventional business model does Michael find fascinating?Enjoy the conversation!__________________________Love it or hate it, I'd love your feedback.Please fill out this brief survey with your opinion or send me an email at Nik@cofounders.com with your thoughts.__________________________MY NEWSLETTER: https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribeSpotify: https://tinyurl.com/5avyu98yApple: https://tinyurl.com/bdxbr284YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/nikonomicsYT___________________________This week we covered:00:00 Introduction and Guest Background01:00 Business Ventures and Investments01:44 Current Business Scale and Operations03:09 Starting Over in 2025: Step-by-Step Guide05:13 The Value of Experience and Financial Safety07:11 Starting a Low-Capex Services Business10:01 The Reality of Online Courses14:19 The Hold Co Conference and Learning from Failure19:44 Sympathizing with the Struggles of Entrepreneurs19:15 The Fine Line Between Faking It and Failing21:22 Excitement for the Upcoming Conference22:09 The Concept of an Unconference23:21 Challenges and Risks in Event Planning24:28 Innovative Business Models in Event Management29:22 Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs32:24 Contrarian Views on Business Opportunities35:16 The Importance of Personal Fit in Career Choices38:32 Different Paths to Entrepreneurship39:31 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Feb 14, 2025 • 41min
121 - Is Dan Peña a Genius or a Fraud? What "The Trillion Dollar Man" Really Teaches with Chris Koerner
🚨MY NEWSLETTER https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribe 🚨Join me, Nik (https://x.com/CoFoundersNik), and my business partner Chris Koerner (https://x.com/mhp_guy) as we discuss the world of self-help gurus, focusing on the controversial Dan Pena. We discuss Pena's background and his claims of building a massive oil company and hosting $30,000 mastermind seminars. We unpack his extreme persona and tactics, while also trying to understand his success. We debate the value of his teachings, and the question of whether his advice is actually helpful. We also explore a real-life negotiation with a group using Pena's brand, and discuss the important difference between motivational speaking and providing a concrete business plan. We finish off by discussing AI, and the possibility of creating businesses that protect consumers from the spam resulting from new technologies.Questions This Episode Answers:Is there any real value in Dan Pena’s QLA method, or is it all just hype?How can you differentiate between a good business guru, like Alex Hormozi, and a bad one, like Dan Pena?How can we apply the positive aspects of Pena’s extreme self-belief in a reasonable way?How can you identify emerging business opportunities by thinking of both the "disease" and the "cure," specifically in relation to new technologies like AI?How can you think of new businesses by productizing the prompts you use in chat GPT or other AI tools?Share your ideas with us:Nik@cofounders.comChris@cofounders.comEnjoy the conversation!__________________________Love it or hate it, I'd love your feedback.Please fill out this brief survey with your opinion or send me an email at Nik@cofounders.com with your thoughts.__________________________MY NEWSLETTER: https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribeSpotify: https://tinyurl.com/5avyu98yApple: https://tinyurl.com/bdxbr284YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/nikonomicsYT___________________________This week we covered:00:00 Introduction to Controversial Gurus00:58 Meet Dan Pena: The Trillion Dollar Man02:09 Dan Pena's Predictions and Background03:59 Dan Pena's Business Ventures08:32 The QLA Principles Unveiled13:28 A Personal Encounter with Dan Pena's Team18:05 Unshakable Belief in Entrepreneurship18:51 The Fyre Fest and WeWork Examples20:06 Alex Hormozi's Tactical Approach20:47 Sales Gurus and Their Strategies22:11 Dan Pena's Podcast Invitation25:43 AI and the Future of Outbound Marketing28:00 AI Tools and Consumer Defense36:22 PhD-Level Autonomous Agents37:52 Productizing AI Prompts40:27 Exploring Custom GPTs

Feb 12, 2025 • 45min
120 - TOP PICK! How to Build a Million Dollar Business with James Camp
🚨MY NEWSLETTER https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribe 🚨Join me, Nik (https://x.com/CoFoundersNik), as I speak with James Camp (https://x.com/JamesonCamp), a serial entrepreneur who shares his journey from doing SEO as a teen to building and exiting multiple companies. James discusses his strategy of buying "unsexy" internet businesses, emphasizing cash flow, and leveraging distribution. He also delves into his past experiences in affiliate marketing, and his thoughts on the importance of a strong personal brand. We explore his future plans, which include a potential move into investment banking and a greater focus on content creation.Questions this Episode Answers:How can early experiences in SEO and affiliate marketing shape an entrepreneurial approach?What are the advantages of acquiring "unsexy" internet businesses and focusing on cash flow?How can distribution channels be leveraged to drive growth and find new business opportunities?What are the key differences between product-focused tech companies and those focused on customer acquisition?How can personal brand be a competitive advantage when attracting investors and building a business?Enjoy the conversation!__________________________Love it or hate it, I'd love your feedback.Please fill out this brief survey with your opinion or send me an email at Nik@cofounders.com with your thoughts.__________________________MY NEWSLETTER: https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribeSpotify: https://tinyurl.com/5avyu98yApple: https://tinyurl.com/bdxbr284YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/nikonomicsYT___________________________This week we covered:00:00 Highlights00:29 Introduction and Early Ventures00:58 Transition to Unsexy Internet Businesses03:28 Current Portfolio and Investments06:24 Lessons from Aggregating Small Businesses10:10 Early Entrepreneurial Journey13:40 Nightclub Promoter to Entrepreneur15:58 Challenges and Setbacks18:22 Focus on Distribution and Customer Acquisition22:12 Debating Pronunciations and Stock Market Comparisons23:10 The Value of Distribution and Course Selling24:56 Personal Branding and Polarizing Marketing28:07 Financial Goals and Realistic Expectations35:29 Investment Strategies and Business Models40:20 The Concept of Wrappers in Business43:32 Future Plans and Midlife Reflections

Feb 10, 2025 • 35min
119 - How to Find High-Paying Consulting Clients (and What to Do Once You Land Them) with Sean O'Dowd
Sean O'Dowd, founder of Scholastic Capital, shares his journey from consulting to building a real estate fund focused on single-family homes in top school districts. He reveals how he found high-paying clients through Catalant and emphasizes the importance of functional skills and networking via Twitter. Sean discusses the strategies for structuring a real estate fund, including management fees and investor distributions. His insights on leveraging consulting income for real estate ventures and targeting a $100 million valuation highlight the intersection of finance and entrepreneurship.

Feb 7, 2025 • 29min
118 - How to Start a High-Profit "Convenience" Business (That's Not a Scam) with Chris Koerner
In this engaging conversation, Chris Koerner, an entrepreneur with a background in pest control, reveals the surprising potential of convenience businesses. He shares insights on high-profit models, door-to-door sales, and the ethics of sales practices. Chris discusses how pest control can be viewed as a valuable service rather than just a necessity and examines the industry’s financial dynamics. He also highlights an entrepreneur’s success with a Christmas lighting business, sparking ideas on innovative ventures that can thrive in today's market.

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Feb 5, 2025 • 1h 2min
117 - How He Used Legacy Media to Build a $100M+ Business Empire with Craig Fuller
Craig Fuller, a prolific entrepreneur and founder of FreightWaves and Sonar, shares his transformative journey through media. He discusses leveraging legacy media to build a $100M+ empire by acquiring established publications with loyal audiences. Craig emphasizes the importance of owning distribution over product development and adapts his strategies in response to market shifts. He also highlights the role of print media in a digital age and plans to create immersive experiences tied to his media ventures, such as a model railroad museum.

Feb 3, 2025 • 49min
116 - How This Mom Built a 7-Figure Business from Home and How You Can Too with Jayne Havens
Click Here to Become a Certified Sleep ConsultantJoin me, Nik (https://x.com/CoFoundersNik), as I speak with Jayne Havens, who built a 7-figure sleep consulting business from her kitchen. Jayne shares how she transitioned from event planning to helping parents with their children's sleep, initially through Facebook groups. She now runs an online sleep consultant certification program, which is the main source of revenue, and offers two-week virtual consultations using text and email. Jayne emphasizes the power of a strong mindset and her experience with sales, that helped her grow her business. Jayne's success is also a result of recognizing a need, having a good understanding of her customer and her service and ultimately scaling her business by creating an online training program.Questions this Episode Answers:How can you start a business from home using social media?How do you scale a service-based business by creating a training program?How does having the right mindset influence business growth?How can a business owner create a training program that provides value for its students?How can you transition from a side hustle to a 7-figure business?Enjoy the conversation!__________________________Love it or hate it, I'd love your feedback.Please fill out this brief survey with your opinion or send me an email at Nik@cofounders.com with your thoughts.__________________________MY NEWSLETTER: https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribeSpotify: https://tinyurl.com/5avyu98yApple: https://tinyurl.com/bdxbr284YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/nikonomicsYT___________________________00:00 Introduction to Sleep Consulting Business06:04 Understanding Client Needs11:52 The Journey to Entrepreneurship17:54 Service Structure and Client Interaction26:15 Automating Communication for Efficiency32:46 Building a Business: Time and Effort Required39:19 Creating a Comprehensive Training Program45:21 The Changing Landscape of Parenting and Sleep Training

Jan 31, 2025 • 34min
115 - TOP PICK! The Easiest Way to Make Money with AI (No Code) with Chris Koerner
🚨MY NEWSLETTER https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribe 🚨Join me, Nik (https://x.com/CoFoundersNik), and my business partner Chris Koerner (https://x.com/mhp_guy) as we explore how AI is changing the world and uncover exciting AI business ideas. We discuss the rise of digital detox, the impact of po*nography addiction and phone addiction, and how these growing issues present business opportunities.We also break down the business of AI prompts, including how to sell prompts on platforms like PromptBase.com - and why a single prompt can be the foundation for an entire SaaS product. Plus, we talk about how prompts are becoming the new SEO, the power of AI wrappers in simplifying complex tools, and an AI-powered tool concept that helps entrepreneurs find great business ideas by analyzing their data and personal experiences.Questions This Episode Answers:How can you build a business around AI prompts and sell them profitably?Why are digital detox and porn addiction recovery becoming big business opportunities?How do AI wrappers make complex tools easier to use and monetize?What makes prompts the new SEO, and how can you capitalize on it?How can AI help entrepreneurs discover their next big business idea?Links and Resources:https://promptbase.com - Buy and sell prompts for AI tools.https://replit.com - Make a chatbot.https://www.cursor.com - Tool that helps you coding and creating apps.Share your ideas with us:Nik@cofounders.comChris@cofounders.comEnjoy the conversation!__________________________Love it or hate it, I'd love your feedback.Please fill out this brief survey with your opinion or send me an email at Nik@cofounders.com with your thoughts.__________________________MY NEWSLETTER: https://nikolas-newsletter-241a64.beehiiv.com/subscribeSpotify: https://tinyurl.com/5avyu98yApple: https://tinyurl.com/bdxbr284YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/nikonomicsYT___________________________This week we covered:00:00 Exploring Business Opportunities in AI02:52 Digital Addiction and Its Impact06:08 The Role of po*nography in Modern Society08:55 Creating Retreats for Digital Detox11:46 Leveraging AI for Business Ideas15:08 The Power of Prompts in AI17:59 Building SaaS Products from Prompts20:49 The Concept of Wrappers in Business24:08 Using AI for Personal and Business Growth26:55 Accountability and Idea Validation with AI

Jan 29, 2025 • 36min
114 - TOP PICK! How This 25-Year-Old Built a $1M+ Pest Control Business with Casey McDaniel
In this engaging conversation, Casey McDaniel, a dynamic 25-year-old entrepreneur, shares his journey of co-founding a pest control company that rakes in $1.3 million in recurring revenue. He reveals how he transformed an $8,000 investment into a million-dollar business within three years, focusing on the effectiveness of door-to-door sales as their primary growth strategy. Casey discusses the importance of route density, high margins, and the challenges of obtaining master licenses, offering invaluable insights for aspiring entrepreneurs.

Jan 27, 2025 • 48min
113 - How Constraints Built OpenPhone into a Thriving Business with Daryna Kulya
Daryna Kulya, founder of OpenPhone, shares her journey from dealing with hefty phone bills to establishing a game-changing communication tool for over 50,000 businesses. She discusses how automation boosts customer engagement and simplifies team collaboration. Daryna highlights the benefits of bootstrapping and using innovative marketing strategies that don't break the bank. The conversation dives into adapting to modern communication needs, transforming OpenPhone into more than just a phone system, and fostering genuine connections in business.


