
Fraudology Podcast with Karisse Hendrick
If you work in online fraud prevention, chances are you've caught the "bug". The bug that makes you passionate about identifying & preventing cybercriminals from getting away with stealing from your company, or your client's companies. Most people who have made cyber-fraud their career have the perfect balance of analytical and social skills, a strong sense of justice and the curiosity that will drive you to go down every path of information until you "crack the case".
Just like sociology is the study of social behavior, and psychology is the study of human behavior, Fraudology is the science and study of fraud.
On the Fraudology podcast, long-time online fraud expert, Karisse Hendrick will dive into all areas of Fraudology from the perspective of a fraud-fighter. With guests ranging from former cybercriminals to fraud-fighters at Fortune 500 companies to law enforcement and others, you will no doubt be entertained, while learning a lot about fraud & other forms of abuse prevention!
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Latest episodes

Aug 22, 2023 • 48min
Confessions of a Fraud-Fighter's Teenager w/ Karisse's Daughter, Jordyn
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicIn this episode of Fraudology, host Karisse Hendrick is joined by Jordyn, her 19-year-old daughter, to discuss the challenges of parenting in the digital age. As a fraud fighter and a parent, Karisse knew the importance of teaching internet safety to her child, from when she got her first smart phone, got her 1st social media account, and continued to grow up as technology continued to advance. In this episode, Karisse laments over her parenting style when it came to technology, and Jordyn shares her honest opinion about what she thought about it then, and what she thinks about it now. Was mom too paranoid? Or was mom just trying to give her knowledge to keep herself safe online (or as much as possible, anyway). Rounding out the conversation, Jordyn answers a few questions from Fraudology listeners (and their kids) about her mom, her mom's podcast and if she wants to be a fraud-fighter as an adult.Topics include insights on social media precautions to smartphone usage, and they delve into various topics to offer practical advice for navigating the online world while ensuring the safety of our loved ones. Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Aug 15, 2023 • 1h 5min
Art of Making a Business Case, Refund Fraud, and Why Fighting Fraud is Like Tom & Jerry - Vineet Grewal (Wish .com)
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicKarisse is again joined by her friend, and the Sr. Manager of Risk for Wish .com, Vineet Grewal. 3 weeks ago, Vineet talked about why she has made "approval rates" her North Star. This week, she's sharing some of her tips for creating a business case to engage & influence senior leadership for the resources needed to implement better solutions for more data and accuracy.While talking about the methods & steps she's used to effectively present to senior leadership, Vineet also uses an example of a specific fraud attack that she swears she will never forget. Taking us on a journey from the moment she first discovered refund claims fraud (aka: refund fraud) on the system, to being granted approval of the proposed changes she brilliantly presented to her executive team, and then to share the result of the implementation of . They wrap up the conversation with Vineet reminiscing about Saturday morning cartoons, and how one of them in particular makes the perfect metaphor for the life of a fraud-fighter!To connect directly with Vineet (No solicitations please!): https://www.linkedin.com/in/vineet-grewal-7395002b/Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Aug 9, 2023 • 33min
Most Terminology Is The Same, But That's About It; Banking vs. e-commerce Fraud
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicCan fraud experience in the banking industry easily transition you on to the e-commerce side of fraud? What about Vice Versa?In this episode of Fraudology, Karisse is on the road for another client trip. After presenting a training to the employees of a FraudTech vendor that supports banks, Financial Institutions, and Fintechs, she shares one of the concepts she talked about in the training course. -How, even though most of the terminology is the same in both areas of fraud prevention/revenue integrity, for the most part, that's where the similarities end. She talks about how the differences in consumer behavior, the nature of the consumer/entity relationship, regulations (like KYC), the differences in data collected, and the very nature of the items being protected/stolen require very different ways of thinking about detection. And, for the most part, they require different types of tools to identify fraudulent behavior. These comparisons created a great conversation when Karisse was presenting it to this group in person, so she hopes you appreciate the comparisons, and the opportunity to think more about the different skills, technology, and knowledge needed for each sector online (and multi-channel).Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Aug 8, 2023 • 51min
Utilizing Storytelling to Communicate Cross-functionally & Identify Solutions w/ Gil Rosenthal
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicIn this episode of Fraudology, host Karisse Hendrick invites return guest & listener favorite, Gil Rosenthal, a fraud prevention strategy expert & a Fintech Advisor, to discuss the importance of storytelling and strategic thinking in protecting companies and users from fraudulent activities.They delve into the methodology of storytelling in fraud prevention (used by fraud departments in top companies, such as PayPal), and emphasize the need for a proactive approach to anticipate fraudsters' tactics. From analyzing unique patterns and dollar values to identifying band-aid & long-term prevention solutions to understanding the impact of different strategies and actions, they explore key strategies for staying ahead in the ever-evolving world of fraud.Tune in to gain valuable insights and learn about the fascinating world of fraud prevention.Links:As mentioned in the intro, the 2023 Fraudology Benchmarking Survey (Sponsored by Forter) can be viewed here; with no e-mail or contact information required!:https://resources.forter.com/fraud-fighter/2023-benchmark-reportTo connect with Gil on LinkedIn or to inquire about receiving the full training course as overviewed in today's episode:https://www.linkedin.com/in/gil-rosenthal/Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Aug 3, 2023 • 60min
Fraud News: No KYC Credit Card- What Could Go Wrong? | Chinese Scammers Hiring Domain Experts | Fraudsters Copying Fraud-Fighters
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicIn this episode of Fraudology, Karisse highlights 3 fraud stories that you will want to be aware of. -Either for awareness, or possibly for a bit of "fraud nerd" comic relief. First starting out with why the promised episode of an interview with a "special guest", Karisse's daughter has been replaced with an episode of Fraud News for this week. But, this episode WILL be coming soon to Fraudology, where Karisse's teenager will share her own experiences as a "fraud-fighter's daughter, the best advice her mom has given about internet safety, and she'll answer questions submitted by Fraudology listeners (and some of their kids!).This week, the news was a mix of terrifying or puzzling revelations about professional cybercrime rings, and a new Visa card that will most likely be attractive to them. But, for the 1st story, which was first shared in the weekly newsletter published by Frank McKenna, of FrankonFraud.com, was enough for Karisse to bring back a popular segment from the past. "What The Fraud?!"From how Chinese Scammers are hiring creative thinkers to design new scam MOs, to the newest Visa Card marketing itself as a "No KYC Visa card" (Is this Legal? Will it Last?), and a Celebrity Plastic Surgeon in Beverly Hills is hit with a two-fer: The "old" data breach + financial fraud trick. -You'll hear highlights of each article, along with thoughts, questions, and additional commentary from a fraud expert; She'll also share why these are stories for online fraud-fighters to be aware of.Original Articles:Domain Experts Hired to Help Chinese Scammers Create New Fraud Scamshttps://www.databreaches.net/more-plastic-surgery-patients-have-their-nude-photos-and-information-leaked/Beverly Hills Plastic Surgeon - Data Breach Victim Website -Looks like they've since removed the impersonation alert from their site mentioned in this episode & replaced it with a "Data Incident notice", minimized on the Right side of his websitehttps://fintechbusinessweekly.substack.com/p/stripe-celtic-bank-power-no-kyc-stablecoinJoin us as we explore this fascinating yet frightening aspect of the internet.Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insights into the world of fraud prevention.#Fraudology #CyberSecurity #DarkWeb #FraudPrevention #KarisseHendrickFraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Aug 1, 2023 • 46min
Confessions of a Fraud-Fighting Parent
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicIn this episode of Fraudology, Karisse answers some of your questions about parenting a child in the "digital age". -Especially as someone who is sometimes too aware of the dark sides of the internet.For those of us who are parents and fraud-fighters (or in Trust & Safety), there's no doubt that these are the two most important "jobs" we've had and they're at the core of our identity. And, it can be a difficult balance, especially in the 2020's when we especially know all too well that the internet can be powerful in both positive & negative ways, and it becomes a big part of our child/children's lives. How can we keep our kids safe, while also allowing them the freedom to explore the world via the internet?Thanks to some great questions from listeners of Fraudology, Karisse discusses the importance of educating teenagers about the potential risks they face online every day. From phishing scams to identity theft, she provides practical advice on how parents can equip their children with the knowledge and tools to stay safe online. She will never claim to know everything or to have done everything right. But, her smart, kind & resilient daughter is proof that she didn't mess up TOO much! If you're a parent, this episode is a gold mine! Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful content. #Fraudology #KarisseHendrick #FraudPrevention #ParentingTips #DigitalSafetyAnd, on Thursday's episode, Karisse's daughter will join her to answer several questions they both received from fraud-fighting parents (and some of their kids!) asking advice as their kids get older and want to interact with the world via the internet.Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Jul 27, 2023 • 1h 5min
Fraud-Fighter Profile: Vineet Grewal @ Wish .com on Relentlessly Improving Approval Rates
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicIn this episode of Fraudology, Vineet Grewal, Senior Manager of Risk for the popular marketplace Wish .com joins Karisse to talk about her passion for fraud-fighting, people leadership, and relentless improving authorization rates. With an incredible skill for remembering even the smallest details of sophisticated fraud cases and an impressive knack for implementing complex risk stacks for reducing various types of marketplace fraud attacks, Vineet has quickly become a go-to resource by her peers. But as important as identifying & preventing fraud and abuse attempts on the platform she works for is, she says her "North Star" has become approval rates. While some may think that reducing chargebacks is the number one goal of a fraud leader, Vineet explains why that goal should always be balanced by increasing sales. Other topics related to improving approval rates come up, such as: the importance of measuring approval rates from end-to-end, and not just at the front end; being aware of variables within different geographic markets such as holidays, consumer behavior, and the nuances of various payment methods; holding vendors accountable; the importance of using data & storytelling to communicate with cross-functional departments. To connect with Vineet directly (solicitations & cold messages will not be responded to): https://www.linkedin.com/in/vineet-grewal-7395002b/Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Jul 25, 2023 • 26min
Trust & Safety Policies Saved Our Family Vacation
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicWe're switching up this week's episode format with a solo episode from Karisse 1st. (And an interview with a great fraud-fighter on Thursday!)In a world where we can drive a stranger's car, sleep in a stranger's house, and buy tickets to a Broadway performance from someone we don't know, it's important for those companies to plan for the worst before it happens. Not only to keep customers happy, but to prevent credit card disputes (chargebacks). In this episode, Karisse shares some of the unexpected challenges & change of plans from a recent family vacation, and how the vacation could have been so much worse if it weren't for the Trust & Safety policies of the 2-sided marketplaces she booked portions of their trip on. For anyone in Trust & Safety/Chargeback prevention, it's important to put ourselves in the shoes of our customers. People spend money with companies that they like & trust. And not providing the trust ahead of time, and throughout their experience can be detrimental. Often resulting in the loss of active users, potential users, and loss of revenue + extra expenses due to complaints and/or chargebacks.Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Jul 20, 2023 • 48min
How Re-directing Manual Review Increased Annual Revenue by 8-figures | Shawn Kelley (ex-SeatGeek)
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicIn this episode of Fraudology, Shawn Kelley, Former Director of Payments & Risk for SeatGeek returns to share another fraud strategy success story. This time, the problem being solved was the length of time for the feedback loop on orders the fraud system wasn't identifying (aka- Fraud Chargebacks) was too long. This situation is most common for online companies that rely on & need to update rules engines, systems with supervised Machine Learning, and most any fraud tool that needs to learn from it's mistakes, and generally that time frame is in weeks, not days or hours, resulting in more fraud being missed until the 1st chargeback or notification of fraud is received. By re-directing the placement and the overall focus/job duties for their team of fraud analysts, Shawn & his leadership were shocked by all of the positive outcomes!Identifying fraud attacks & new methods in hours, instead of days to implement a feedback loop into their supervised machine learning system, and giving the fraud team the ability to help their Finance with more accurate forecasting numbersIncreasing annual PROFITS (not just revenue) by 10's of millions of dollarsMuch happier & fulfilled fraud analysts which translated into a better team culture and higher employee retention rateWhether this specific scenario is one your company faces, how Shawn & his team thought about a solution to the problem & the surprising outcomes they experienced can inspire you to look at a way that "things have always been done" in a different way, and to test possible solutions to identify the right one.To connect with Shawn directly, or to speak with him about his consulting services in e-commerce fraud & payments strategy & product improvements, you can reach out on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnkelley/Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.

Jul 18, 2023 • 50min
Fraud Strategy Inspiration: Improving "Throughput" by Zooming Out | Shawn Kelly (ex-SeatGeek)
Fraudology is presented by Sardine. Get your tickets to Sardine[Con] and end the scamedmicThe worst reason to do something is "because it's how it's always been done". -Especially in a landscape that is continually changing & adapting. And, when it comes to fraud, if new ideas or processes are being implemented, chances are you're "inventing the wheel" (starting from zero). That's why it can be so helpful to learn about strategies that have been implemented that resulted in success on several levels.In this episode of Fraudology, Shawn Kelley, former Director of Payments & Risk for SeatGeek is back, to share two of the out-of-the-box solutions he & his team implemented to solve common problems shared by online fraud teams across industries. On today's episode, Shawn talks about a revolutionary (but it makes so much sense!) way that he and his team looked at and worked towards greatly improving their customer's experience, ensure the highest percentage of throughput (total revenue), and reduce false positives while improving detection abilities. Even if your company is significantly different than the example provided today, you are sure to be inspired to think differently about the holistic customer journey, and not only "putting out fires" in one part of the customer flow, one at a time. Shawn will be back on Thursday to share how he turned their manual review process on it's head while not only catching more fraud attempts faster, but by increasing the company's annual profits by 10's of millions of dollars. You won't want to miss it, so subscribe to Fraudology to be alerted as soon as the next episode is out!Fraudology is hosted by Karisse Hendrick, a fraud fighter with decades of experience advising hundreds of the biggest ecommerce companies in the world on fraud, chargebacks, and other forms of abuse impacting a company's bottom line. Connect with her on LinkedIn She brings her experience, expertise, and extensive network of experts to this podcast weekly, on Tuesdays.