The Hearing – A Legal Podcast
Thomson Reuters
The Hearing is a legal podcast from Thomson Reuters. Listen to insightful discussions with lawyers, legal experts, and other interesting people connected to the legal industry. We delve into anything and everything – trailblazers in the law, the latest insights on legal innovation and trends, and how the profession is evolving. With hosts based in the UK and the US, we cover issues around the globe. Our current hosts: Becky Annison – Trained at a London law firm before moving in-house. Spent 12 years as a senior solicitor in a large international company, before joining Practical Law's In-house practice area team. Now, as Head of Engagement for The Chancery Lane Project, Becky uses her knowledge of contracting and law to help tackle the climate crisis. Janelle Wrigley – An attorney based in California. As head of the Antitrust & Competition team at Practical Law, leads a team of lawyers producing practical guidance for competition lawyers worldwide. Previously, Janelle was a litigator at the US Federal Trade Commission and at Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP in New York. Teneé Frazier – An attorney, editor, and speaker based in Alabama. As a member of the State and Local Government team at Practical Law, she uses her expertise in municipal law to produce substantive content for local government attorneys. Previously, Teneé was Assistant General Counsel at the Alabama League of Municipalities. Yasmin Sheikh – Executive coach, trainer, consultant, and speaker, with a background as a lawyer – practising for 12 years in a large international law firm. Founder of Diverse Matters – which helps promote equality, diversity, and inclusivity within organisations. Yasmin is also a former vice chair of the Disabled Solicitors Network at the Law Society of England and Wales. Find out more about The Hearing and other Thomson Reuters podcasts at tr.com/thehearing.
Episodes
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Aug 28, 2023 • 27min
EP. 133 – Ideshini Naidoo
Fasten your seatbelts – technological advances in legal work are about to hit warp speed, thanks to the possibilities unlocked by artificial intelligence and large language models. This episode’s guest, Ideshini Naidoo was, until very recently, Head of Engineering, Legal Workflow, at Thomson Reuters. Just before Ideshini left the company to pursue new challenges, she sat down with Becky Annison to discuss the changes that are coming. Ideshini offers her views on making it easier for lawyers to adopt and use new technologies, why the combination of AI and expert content is so powerful, and how legal tech can help improve access to justice.
This is Becky’s second episode focusing on AI, ChatGPT and the legal profession. If you missed the first, you can listen to that episode here: https://pod.fo/e/186180
Aug 21, 2023 • 43min
EP. 132 – Rashida La Lande (Kraft Heinz)
TWLL TAKEOVER – Cue the fireworks: it's the grand finale of our TWLL Takeover mini-series, and our closing guest is suitably dazzling. Rashida La Lande, Global General Counsel of the Kraft Heinz Company, joins host Janelle Wrigley to chat about her stellar career, from M&A partner at a global law firm to general counsel of one of the most recognizable brands in the world. Rashida spills the beans on the rewards and challenges of overseeing a global legal team across 130 countries, offers advice to junior lawyers on how to stand out from the crowd, and explains why she’s optimistic about the future of the legal profession for women and people of color. Rashida left us feeling empowered, awe-struck… and a little peckish (listen to the end of the episode to find out why).
As the curtain falls on this series of the TWLL Takeover, we hope you are feeling empowered too. You can learn more about TWLL (Transforming Women's Leadership in the Law) here: https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.co.uk/blog/transforming-womens-leadership-law/
Aug 14, 2023 • 46min
EP. 131 – Jeff Bast (Bast Amron)
Meditation. Gratitude. Exercise. Successful lawyering. At first glance, one of these may seem out of place. But for this episode’s guest, Jeff Bast, these are all inextricably tied together. As co-founder of the Miami law firm Bast Amron, Jeff is no stranger to the stresses of being a managing partner. Yet, as you'll hear, Jeff has known something for a while now that the greater legal profession has taken longer to figure out: in order to really do our jobs well, we need to take charge of our mental and physical well-being.
Among other things, Lauren chats with Jeff about the connection between good lawyering and wellness, work-life harmony (not balance, as Jeff explains!), his views on the importance of in-office work and separating office and home life, and Jeff's passion for being vegan.
Aug 7, 2023 • 44min
EP. 130 – Barry Matthews (Social Mobility Business Partnership)
TWLL TAKEOVER – Call him a leader. Call him a mentor. Call him a supporter of human beings everywhere. Just don’t call him an ally! Find out why Barry Matthews, Group Deputy General Counsel at Pennon Group and founder of the Social Mobility Business Partnership (https://smbp.org.uk), dislikes that term, as he chats with host Janelle Wrigley about supporting women leaders and breaking down silos in the legal industry. If Barry’s name sounds familiar, that’s because he was a guest way back – on episode 15 (https://pod.fo/e/149f8e). We don’t often have return guests, so you know that when we do, there’s good reason for it.
Barry offers plenty of humour and plenty to think about, in addition to having an inspiring career journey of his own.
Jul 31, 2023 • 38min
EP. 129 – Margaret Owen (Widows for Peace)
We feel honoured to have spent time in the presence of a true great for this week’s episode: Margaret Owen OBE. She’s a human rights barrister specialising in women’s rights, with a career spanning decades and a passion for justice that won’t stop. Margaret and Yasmin talk about the start of her career – the things that have and sadly haven’t changed – how her practice evolved and how her family history influences the work she’s still doing today, including for the charity she’s founded: Widows for Peace Through Democracy (https://www.widowsforpeace.org).
At The Hearing HQ, we speak to cool and inspirational guests all the time and we love it. It’s easy to talk up our guests, so you’re welcome to take this with a pinch of salt (but you really really shouldn’t): Margaret Owen is a one-of-a-kind lawyer and everyone can learn something from her attitude to life and work. Enjoy!
Jul 24, 2023 • 53min
EP. 128 – Makalika Naholowa'a (Native Hawaiian Legal Corp.)
TWLL TAKEOVER – Intellectual property lawyer, indigenous person, law firm leader, mother, and advocate. This week’s guest on the TWLL Takeover, Makalika Naholowa'a, speaks with host Janelle Wrigley about navigating the highest levels of the legal profession while representing all these identities and roles. Charting her career journey from IP lawyer in a global tech firm to her current roles as executive director of the Native Hawaiian Legal Corporation and President of the National Native American Bar Association, Makalika shows how diverse experience is critical to being a true leader in law. She also shares her ideas on how we can help ease the burden that people from underrepresented communities face within the legal industry.
Don’t miss the end of this episode, where Makalika describes a moving vision of what a truly inclusive legal profession could be, drawing on the lessons of the Native Hawaiian community.
Jul 17, 2023 • 53min
EP. 127 – Darieth Chisolm (50 Shades of Silence)
Warning: this episode deals with adult themes. Imagine discovering after a break-up that your significant other took nude photos of you without your knowledge. Your ex, who lives abroad, repeatedly threatens to publish the photos on the internet. And, when they finally make good on that promise, they also share the website with your family, friends, and business contacts. You are a victim of revenge pornography. This is what happened to Emmy Award winning journalist and former television news anchor, Darieth Chisolm. In this episode, Darieth talks to Jennifer about how she overcame feelings of devastation and shame to navigate the legal system in two countries so she could get the photos taken down and bring her ex to justice. Darieth shares her journey and the decision behind breaking her own story, which led to her founding the global social justice movement 50 Shades of Silence (https://50shadesofsilence.com). Its mission: to shine a light on revenge porn, give a voice to victims, and offer help to anyone affected by cyber harassment. Hear how Darieth has turned her "mess into her message" and how her healing journey has become her life's work.
For more analysis of the issues raised in this episode, listen to episode 83: Image-based sexual abuse and the law (https://pod.fo/e/ebe28).
Jul 10, 2023 • 42min
EP. 126 – Florence Brocklesby (Bellevue Law)
TWLL TAKEOVER – Many lawyers love the challenge of the job but reach a point where the long hours of law firm life become untenable – often, after starting families. But what’s the solution? In our second episode of the TWLL Takeover, host Janelle Wrigley chats with Florence Brocklesby, who solved that problem with creativity and courage in starting her law firm Bellevue Law. Florence has shown that top-tier legal work can flourish within a flexible working environment that truly supports working parents. How did she do it? Can Big Law follow that model? Listen and find out!
You can learn more about TWLL (Transforming Women's Leadership in the Law) here: https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.co.uk/blog/transforming-womens-leadership-law/
Jun 26, 2023 • 48min
EP. 125 – Susan Crumiller (The Feminist Litigation Firm)
TWLL TAKEOVER – Welcome to the TWLL Takeover of The Hearing! We’ve joined forces with Transforming Women's Leadership in the Law (TWLL) to bring you this special mini-series focusing on issues of women’s leadership, the stories of inspiring leaders, and the things we can all do to make the legal profession a better place for women – and for everyone. Our first guest, Susan Crumiller, is the ultimate leader to kick off this series: a passionate advocate for change as the founder of feminist litigation firm Crumiller. Susan talks us through her personal journey – from spiky-haired teenage wrestler, to starting her own law firm when she faced mistreatment at work after having her second child. Along the way, she shines a light on what it looks like to use your own privilege to advocate for others. Best of all, Susan spoke to us on the heels of a huge win in a race and sex discrimination trial with an all-woman trial team (you can read more about that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/26/nyregion/equinox-settlement-discrimination.html) – but also reminds us that there’s still plenty of work to be done. We’d love to hear from you! Drop us a line at thehearing@tr.com to tell us your thoughts on the TWLL Takeover, to share your ideas for guests and topics, or just to say hi.
You can find out more about TWLL here: https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.co.uk/blog/transforming-womens-leadership-law/
Jun 19, 2023 • 52min
EP. 124 – Daniel Hoadley (Mishcon de Reya)
ChatGPT is probabilistic and not deterministic, which has important implications for how lawyers might use it. Did you understand that sentence? If not, you will after listening to this episode. How does the tech that’s launched a thousand think-pieces actually work? Should we be excited about the opportunities that large language models offer or scared of a robot revolution? Whatever your questions or concerns, this episode's guest, Daniel Hoadley – Mishcon de Reya’s Head of Data Science & Analytics – has the answers. And apparently, yes – we should be a little worried about a potential robot revolution! Daniel speaks with host Becky Annison and explains things ChatGPT, large language models and AI. They discuss the upsides and the risks, including how these technologies might impact the work that lawyers do.
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