TWLL TAKEOVER – Call him a leader. Call him a mentor. Call him a supporter of human beings everywhere. Just don’t call him an ally!

Find out why Barry Matthews, Group Deputy General Counsel at Pennon Group and founder of the Social Mobility Business Partnership (https://smbp.org.uk), dislikes that term, as he chats with host Janelle Wrigley about supporting women leaders and breaking down silos in the legal industry.

If Barry’s name sounds familiar, that’s because he was a guest way back – on episode 15 (https://pod.fo/e/149f8e). We don’t often have return guests, so you know that when we do, there’s good reason for it.

Barry offers plenty of humour and plenty to think about, in addition to having an inspiring career journey of his own.