

Metamodern Meaning
Brendan Graham Dempsey
Brendan Graham Dempsey interviews leading thinkers in the metamodernism, integral, syntheist, GameB, and other communities about topics related to meaning-making and spirituality in today's world.
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Mar 2, 2022 • 1h 7min
23. Consciousness vs. Replicators (w/ Andrés Gómez Emilsson)
Andrés Gómez Emilsson from Qualia Research Institute discusses the struggle between consciousness and pure replicators, aiming to maximize positive valence possibilities. The podcast explores the relationship between consciousness and replication, the evolution of consciousness, and the quest to engineer paradise while critiquing potential pitfalls. A nuanced narrative emphasizing the importance of conscious states over mere replication processes.

Feb 22, 2022 • 1h 11min
22. Process Philosophy and the Metamodern Metanarrative (w/ Matt Segall)
Matt Segall joins Brendan to talk about the relationship of process philosophy and the thinking of A. N. Whitehead to the formulation of an emerging metanarrative in metamodernity. In the context of our 13.7 billion years of emergent complexification, how does the story of consciousness evolution relate to issues such as dualism and the hard problem of consciousness, panpsychism, divine creativity, and mystical union? Matt Segall's faculty bio: Matthew D. Segall, PhD, received his doctoral degree in 2016 from the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program at CIIS. His dissertation was titled Cosmotheanthropic Imagination in the Post-Kantian Process Philosophy of Schelling and Whitehead. It grapples with the limits to knowledge of reality imposed by Kant's transcendental form of philosophy and argues that Schelling and Whitehead's process-oriented approach (described in his dissertation as a "descendental" form of philosophy) shows the way across the Kantian threshold to renewed experiential contact with reality. He teaches courses on German Idealism and process philosophy for the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program at CIIS. He blogs regularly at footnotes2plato.com. To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Feb 18, 2022 • 1h 10min
21. Nietzsche, Power, and Metamodernism (w/ Layman Pascal)
The podcast delves into Nietzsche's philosophy and its relation to integral and metamodern frameworks. It explores the nuances and contradictions in Nietzsche's work, power dynamics, revaluation of values, and the path to spiritual development through revelry and virtue.

Feb 11, 2022 • 1h 23min
20. Towards a Metamodern Spirituality, Pt. 1 (w/ Julyan Davey)
Brendan Graham Dempsey talks to Julyan Davey about his immensely prescient and rich essay, "Towards a Metamodern Spirituality," a must-read for anyone interested in the topic of religion and spirituality in metamodernity: https://medium.com/the-phoenix-project/towards-a-metamodern-spirituality-6d71f958a2e0. To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Jan 19, 2022 • 52min
19. Metamodern Magick (w/ Scoutleader Wiley)
Theory and ritual artist Scoutleader Wiley talks to Brendan about metamodern magick, a post-postmodern psychotechnology of re-enchantment that utilizes ironic sincerity and informed naivete to (re)connect us with meaning and the Earth. How can we engage with ritual and mythos beyond superstition and gullibility? What ends does ritual accomplish that a purely rational and objective stance to experience cannot? How can laughing at ourselves help us take the sacred seriously?0:00 Introduction1:36 A Need for New Rituals: Personal and Communal Meaning-Making9:05 Magic vs. Magick: Objective vs. Transjective Transformation15:26 Acausal-Representational Systems (ARS)18:52 Regenerative Reverence: An "As If" Spirituality35:09 "Make Coffee Like You Give a F**k": Creating Ritual and Living Mindfully44:23 Spiritual Vulnerability and Ironic Sincerity47:51 Necessary Subversion To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Jan 10, 2022 • 1h 11min
18. Towards a Metamodern Metanarrative: UTOK (w/ Gregg Henriques)
Dr. Gregg Henriques talks to Brendan about his Unified Theory of Knowledge (UTOK) framework and how it promisingly contributes to the effort of articulating a sciency-friendly post-postmodern grand narrative for our confused and meaning-hungry times. Gregg helps clarify points of overlap as well as distinction between other post-postmodern maps, while zeroing in on the specific existential challenge of our day, which UTOK clarifies and contextualizes. Finally, the two consider how we might, through ironic sincerity, co-create a set of living symbols that can help teach the full "wisdom stack" we'll need to not only survive but thrive beyond the imminent transformations of the metaverse and the "digital identity problem."0:00 Introduction1:31 Overview of the Unified Theory of Knowledge (UTOK)7:18 UTOK and Metamodernism15:46 UTOK and Integral Theory28:08 Mapping the Complexification Domains38:09 Brendan: How the Metanarrative Answers the Crisis of Psychological Studies39:17 UTOK and the Integrated Information Theory of Consciousness49:57 The "God" Question58:06 A Spiritual Omega Point or Posthumanist Singularity? The Need for a Wisdom Stack1:03:44 The Need for a New Mythology: A New Meaning amidst the Meaning Crisis To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Dec 30, 2021 • 1h 3min
17. The Liminal Web and Communitas (w/ Joe Lightfoot)
Joe Lightfoot talks to Brendan about the "Liminal Web," a term he coined for an emerging online community of metatheorists, systems poets, and sensemakers. Discussion quickly moves from mapping this online subculture to exploring its possible futures for deepening connection and embodiment. What are the potentials of purely virtual communitas? Are there in-person communal structures into which this online momentum might be transferred? What are the ingredients of successful communities more generally? What makes this loose network different than other would-be changemakers of the past? Where is it all going, and what is its significance? 0:00 Introduction 2:01 The Liminal Web 4:55 Mapping Mapmakers: A Perspective on the Perspective-Takers 7:48 A Certain Kind of Engagement 9:45 Materializing the Meta-Tribe IRL 25:38 Charitability, Development, and Exclusion 35:57 Post-Postmodern Systems Change 42:22 The Importance of Being Earnest: Heroic Humility and the Dao of Service 56:26 Dancing Dialecticians and the Ever-Receding Absolute 1:01:25 Sacred Simplicity Beyond Complexity To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Dec 21, 2021 • 1h 10min
16. Building an Awakening Practice (w/ Roger Thisdell)
Feeling stuck in his meditation practice and looking for guidance from a 4th Path adept, Brendan talks again to Roger Thisdell, someone who has attained a new default experience of mind as permanently centerless and without the sense of a singly, positioned epistemic agent (i.e., what in traditional language might be called "enlightenment"). Both thought it might be helpful to explore some instructional guidance in a podcast setting, where the process could be shared for others' benefit. In this context, Roger asks some probing questions and offers some helpful tips and suggestions for cultivating awakening. 0:00 Introduction 2:54 Brendan Describes His Path and Motivation towards Waking Up 9:12 (Clarifying Nonduality) 12:22 Brendan Tries to Describe His Phenomenological Sense of Self 16:47 Shifting Perspective through Thought 21:50 Symbolizing Awakened Consciousness 29:45 Beyond Equanimity: Zeroing in on the "Self" 40:54 The Uses of Conception to Change Perception 42:39 Building Motivation 48:07 Fire Kasina 50:45 Being vs. Striving 54:52 Building Metacognition 59:11 Naming Our Motivations To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Dec 1, 2021 • 1h 5min
15. Clare Graves, Spiral Dynamics, and Stage Theory Critique (w/ Henry Andrews)
Brendan talks to Henry Andrews about the legacy of Clare Graves's work, which formed the basis of the Spiral Dynamics framework, which has in turn highly influenced the articulation of integral theory. After going over some of the history, the discussion then turns to the "Great Stage Theory Debate" (Henry's coinage) initiated by a comment by Nora Bateson on social media that re-ignited debate over long-standing critiques of stage theories in general. 0:00 Introduction 2:53 Stage 1: The Research of Clare Graves 12:53 Stage 2: Don Beck, Christopher Cowan, and Spiral Dynamics 20:01 Stage 3: Ken Wilber and SDi 24:46 Stage 4: Hanzi Freinacht and Political Metamodernism28:11 The "Great Stage Theory Debate": Seeking a "Both/And" Approach 46:04 Debate in the Social Media Landscape47:59 Transcending the Stage of Stage Theorization: Practice for Playing Jazz To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

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Nov 23, 2021 • 1h 14min
14. Nuancing the Stage Theory Discussion (w/ Zak Stein)
Zak Stein is a writer and educator with a doctorate in human development and education from Harvard University. Working with Kurt Fischer, he helped further hone and nuance developmental stage theories as part of the neo-Piagetian consensus. Deeply influenced by integral philosophy, he has also articulated many crucial critiques of the movement in an attempt to emphasize the dynamical and contextual nature of stage assessments. Here Zak and Brendan discuss just what the science tells us about the reality of stages; the problems around their simplification, reification, and misapplication; the question of how well they map onto socio-cultural development; the importance of processual vs. categorical thinking; and what development can and can't do as part of a metamodern spiritual metanarrative. 0:00 Introduction 1:12 Static Stages or Dynamic Processes? A Metapsychological Clarification 10:18 Being "at" a Stage? Development as an Ecology of Skillsets 19:23 Non-Linear Growth and Ranges of Operation: Fractal Skill-Chunking across Domains 24:05 The Car Mechanic and the Quantum Mechanic: Transferable Skills and the Importance of Embodiment 28:55 Roots of Cognitive Complexity 1:57 The Recapitulation Theory: Does Phylogeny Map Ontogeny? 36:50 The Growth to Goodness Issue: Complexification and Pathology 41:31 Better Heuristics than Stages? Learning Processes, Capacity Asymmetries, and Dynamics of Teacherly Authority 48:18 Theory vs. (Mis)Application: Are Stage Theories Just "B.S. and Colonial as Hell"? 59:41 Generalizing Developmental Space 1:05:30 Development as Metanarrative? Stage Theories and the Religion that's not a Religion To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com