23. Consciousness vs. Replicators (w/ Andrés Gómez Emilsson)
Mar 2, 2022
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Andrés Gómez Emilsson from Qualia Research Institute discusses the struggle between consciousness and pure replicators, aiming to maximize positive valence possibilities. The podcast explores the relationship between consciousness and replication, the evolution of consciousness, and the quest to engineer paradise while critiquing potential pitfalls. A nuanced narrative emphasizing the importance of conscious states over mere replication processes.
Evolution of ethics from simplistic dichotomies to nuanced wisdom gradients, emphasizing human flourishing through conducive beliefs.
Consciousness vs. replicators: exploring different forms of consciousness and potential future paths focused on liberating consciousness.
Valence structuralism challenges common evolutionary perspectives, highlighting the role of consciousness configuration in determining experience quality.
Deep dives
Evolution of Ethical Concepts
The podcast discusses the evolution of ethical concepts, highlighting the transition from simplistic good versus evil dichotomies to a balance between good and evil, and eventually arriving at a nuanced understanding of gradients of wisdom. It delves into how patterns of conditioning and ego constructs contribute to ethical perspectives and the importance of recognizing more conducive beliefs for human flourishing.
Consciousness vs. Replicators
The episode explores the concept of consciousness versus replicators, emphasizing how patterns lead to different forms of consciousness. It discusses replicators at various scales, from microbial level to societal groups, and notes the strong influence of genes in replicator dynamics. The narrative suggests two possible future paths: one dominated by replicators and one focusing on liberating consciousness.
Valence Structuralism and Consciousness
The conversation delves into valence structuralism, which posits that the quality of experience is determined by the configuration of consciousness. It challenges common evolutionary perspectives on valence, pointing out that many desires are tied to relieving uncomfortable configurations. The topic also touches on the relationship between biological substrates, consciousness, and the potential for engineering a future geared towards positive qualia.
Transhumanism and Compassion-Driven Modification
Transhumanism, often associated with ego-driven pursuits for power and superiority, can be approached with compassion and a focus on alleviating suffering. Modifying genes to address the root causes of suffering, driven by compassion rather than ego, challenges the common negative perception of transhumanism. By understanding the absence of hard boundaries between personalities and the concept of identity as a gradient, the idea of gene modification becomes less intimidating, emphasizing a shift in gradients rather than disrupting fundamental ontological identities.
Pillars for Achieving a Paradise-Like State
The pathway to a paradise-like existence involves a three-pronged approach: eliminating intense suffering, enhancing baseline happiness, and studying peak experiences. The significance of addressing intense suffering, which is often underestimated in its impact and prevalence, is highlighted as a critical first step. Improving baseline happiness and understanding peak experiences contribute to a vision of paradise characterized by reduced suffering, increased daily motivation and happiness, and accessible blissful experiences for all individuals.
Andrés Gómez Emilsson of the Qualia Research Institute joins Brendan to discuss "the universal plot": what's it all about and what matters most? Andrés says the big story is one of consciousness vs. pure replicators, the struggle to resist brute, value-neutral replication processes and maximize instead the positive valence possibilities of universal consciousness. Andrés considers how this narrative emerges as the most nuanced and developmentally advanced of the various ethical stories of the past (compared to "Good vs. Evil," for instance), and considers some of the theoretical/philosophical axioms on which it's based. What then is the relationship between consciousness and replication? How do we ensure we privilege positive conscious states over parasitic replication? How does it relate to the evolution of consciousness, and avoid the pitfalls of asceticism?
0:00 Introduction 2:21 The Universal Plot at Different Levels 16:17 What is the Relationship of Consciousness to Replication? 24:07 What is the Source of Valence if not the Replication Impulse? 26:55 What is the Telos of the Evolution of Consciousness? 30:44 Integrating Replication with Consciousness 36:48 Towards Omega: How do We Engineer Paradise? 48:13 Critique 1: Evolutionary Complexity vs. Human Intellectual Hubris 54:00 Critique 2: Is this Just Gnosticism 2.0? 57:18 A Developmental Metanarrative
"A Universal Plot - Consciousness vs. Pure Replicators: Gene Servants or Blissful Autopoietic Beings?" video mentioned in the podcast: https://youtu.be/nGmETz-wDMc
"The Universal Plot: Consciousness vs. Pure Replicators" blog post mentioned in the podcast: https://www.qualiaresearchinstitute.org/blog/universal-plot
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