Brendan talks to Henry Andrews about the legacy of Clare Graves's work, which formed the basis of the Spiral Dynamics framework, which has in turn highly influenced the articulation of integral theory. After going over some of the history, the discussion then turns to the "Great Stage Theory Debate" (Henry's coinage) initiated by a comment by Nora Bateson on social media that re-ignited debate over long-standing critiques of stage theories in general.  

0:00 Introduction 

2:53 Stage 1: The Research of Clare Graves 

12:53 Stage 2: Don Beck, Christopher Cowan, and Spiral Dynamics 

20:01 Stage 3: Ken Wilber and SDi 

24:46 Stage 4: Hanzi Freinacht and Political Metamodernism

28:11 The "Great Stage Theory Debate": Seeking a "Both/And" Approach 

46:04 Debate in the Social Media Landscape

47:59 Transcending the Stage of Stage Theorization: Practice for Playing Jazz