

Point Of The Story
Sara Joelle
Welcome to Point of the Story — the only podcast you won’t have to listen to on 2x speed! Hosted by Sara Joelle — Website Copywriter, Marketing Mentor, Unapologetic Squirrel, and single mom navigating life with ADHD, this show is for the online business girlies, the moms juggling business and babies (and bullshit), and the creative minds trying to balance it all.
New episodes every Thursday!
New episodes every Thursday!
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Nov 20, 2025 • 1h 4min
How to Remember to Eat Lunch: Squirrel’s Guide to Feeding Yourself with Registered Dietitian Claire Rifkin
Raise your hand if you've made it to 4 PM before realizing you forgot to eat. Now put your hand down and listen to this episode.Today, I sit down with Claire Rifkin, registered dietitian and breakfast burrito devotee, to talk about something we're all guilty of: skipping meals and wondering why we're so tired all the time.Claire breaks down the actual science behind feeding your ADHD brain and how to stop treating lunch like it's optional. We're talking mechanical eating, food aversions, texture issues, how to feed yourself (and your kids) without attaching morality to every single snack, and basically everything you wish someone had told you about food years ago.TOPICS & TANGENTS— What actually happens when you don't fuel your ADHD brain— Why hyper-focus kills your hunger cues (and what to do about it)— Protein, carbs, fats, and fiber, and what they actually do for you— Why you crave a sweet treat after every meal— Why your kid suddenly hates mac and cheesePOINT OF THE STORYIf you're not eating, you're literally asking your brain to work on empty, and then wondering why everything feels harder. Treat your meals like the non-negotiable appointments they are, and watch how much better you feel.GIVEAWAYWant a free one-on-one strategy session with me? Go to Spotify and comment on this podcast episode what you loved about the episode, and I’ll enter you to win!Love you, mean it. 🖤CLAIRE LINKS— Follow Claire on Instagram and Threads— Check out her website— Check out her meal subscription, the Pretty Plates Club— Subscribe to her newsletter— Claire’s walkout songBTL LINKS— Use code "MILLIONAIRE" for $100 off my website copywriting course, Site Series Sprint.— Join the Point of the Story community on Slack.— Leave feedback or episode requests in our Suggestions Box.— To stay up to date with all things Point of the Story, follow on Instagram and Substack.— Follow me on Instagram, Threads, and Substack.— Subscribe to my newsletters Tuesday Table of Contents for one marketing tip, once a week and Millionaire Moment for the insider tea on how I plan to make $1 mil in sales by my 31st birthday.— Check out my website betweenthelinescopy.com.OTHER LINKS— Violet Witchel’s Dense Bean Salad— Simple Beef Pasta SkilletThis episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz.Mentioned in this episode:For $31/mo, get FIVE personal story prompts a month for your newsletter! Sara's Swipe File: A Newsletter Storytelling Subscription

Nov 13, 2025 • 1h 2min
How to Expand Your Capacity to Attract More of What You Want with Maia Benaim
Quick question: How many times are you gonna call in the thing, get the thing, and then immediately fuck it up because your nervous system is like "nope, too much, abort mission"?In this episode, I sit down with Maia Benaim — writer, mentor, expansion queen, and certified neuroscience nerd — to talk about nervous system capacity and why your goals might have hidden agendas.We're getting into the science of why you see color differently than everyone else (spiral warning), why your reticular activating system is the bouncer of your perception, and how Maia went from hoarding Korean face masks to teaching women how to expand their entire lives.TOPICS & TANGENTS— You don't attract what you want — you attract what you're ready to hold— Nervous system capacity as a vessel: why your espresso cup can't hold an ocean— Why jumping from offer to offer is your nervous system running from stability— What if your million-dollar goal is really about feeling lovable?— The power of auto-suggestions and gaslighting yourself into your dream life— Blocking blessings with "must be nice" energy and negative self-talk— How changing your beliefs overnight actually works— The words banned in Sara's house: "I'm bored" and "I can't"POINT OF THE STORYYour nervous system is running the show. When you expand your capacity to hold more — more money, more success, more stability — you stop chasing and start receiving. The version of you that has the thing you want? Start being her right the fuck now!GIVEAWAYWant a free one-on-one strategy session with me? Go to Spotify and comment on this podcast episode what you loved about the episode, and I’ll enter you to win!Love you, mean it. 🖤MAIA LINKS— Follow Maia on Instagram and Threads— Check out her mastermind Expansion— Subscribe to her podcast Thought to Thing— Check out her website— Subscribe to her Substack— Maia’s walkout songBTL LINKS— Use code "MILLIONAIRE" for $100 off my website copywriting course, Site Series Sprint.— Join the Point of the Story community on Slack.— Leave feedback or episode requests in our Suggestions Box.— To stay up to date with all things Point of the Story, follow on Instagram and Substack.— Follow me on Instagram, Threads, and Substack.— Subscribe to my newsletters Tuesday Table of Contents for one marketing tip, once a week and Millionaire Moment for the insider tea on how I plan to make $1 mil in sales by my 31st birthday.— Check out my website betweenthelinescopy.com.OTHER LINKS— Waitlist: Write Your SiteTIMESTAMPS00:00 Meet Maia!03:30 Rapid-Fire Squirrel Brain Questions07:41 You Don't Attract What You Want, You Attract...16:09 Is This a Pattern or Do I Actually Need to Pivot?19:22 Stop Identifying With Your Blocks26:55 Embody Who You Want to Be, Today41:18 You Have the Power to Choose Your Beliefs52:32 WE SEE COLORS DIFFERENTLY!!!57:03 Where to Find MaiaThis episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz.Mentioned in this episode:For $31/mo, get FIVE personal story prompts a month for your newsletter! Sara's Swipe File: A Newsletter Storytelling Subscription

Nov 6, 2025 • 29min
Should You Display Pricing on Your Website or Not?
Me if one more person asks whether or not they should put their pricing on their site:🧍♀️➡️🚪➡️🌱😵(You’ll understand that emoji sequence when you listen!)Look, I get it. I know some of you are asking this genuinely. But also, I know some of you are just rage-baiting me for engagement, and honestly? It's working. I'm MAD.So let's settle this once and for all: Yes, you should absolutely include pricing on your website. I mean, if you care about pre-qualifying your leads, saving yourself time, and only working with clients who actually value what you do!TOPICS & TANGENTS— Why you’re afraid of repelling people who can't afford you— Pre-qualifying leads so you stop wasting time on inquiry emails that go nowhere— Why not including pricing makes you look like you started your business yesterday— The fuck-ass-man theory of client selection— Wedding vendors… we need to talk!— All your objections, debunked: "What if I want to raise my prices?" "What if someone copies me?" "What if the scope changes?"— How to display pricing even if you're scaredPOINT OF THE STORYPut your pricing on your website. Step into your worth, stop settling for fuck-ass clients, and let your pricing do the heavy lifting so your website can do what it’s supposed to do for you!GIVEAWAYWant a free one-on-one strategy session with me? Go to Spotify and comment on this podcast episode what you loved about the episode, and I’ll enter you to win!Love you, mean it. 🖤BTL LINKS— Use code "MILLIONAIRE" for $100 off my website copywriting course, Site Series Sprint.— Join the Point of the Story community on Slack.— Leave feedback or episode requests in our Suggestions Box.— To stay up to date with all things Point of the Story, follow on Instagram and Substack.— Follow me on Instagram, Threads, and Substack.— Subscribe to my newsletters Tuesday Table of Contents for one marketing tip, once a week and Millionaire Moment for the insider tea on how I plan to make $1 mil in sales by my 31st birthday.— Check out my website betweenthelinescopy.com.OTHER LINKS— My reel of me lying face down on the grass and the inspiration behind it— Past episode: Your Energy is Sabotaging Your Money Goals with Manifestation Coach Jillian MinterTIMESTAMPS00:00 The Question That Rage Baits Me Every Single Day04:49 Primary Reason to Include Pricing: Pre-Qualifying10:21 The Fuck-Ass Man Theory of Client Selection13:13 Eliminating Pricing Debates And Making Future Clients Happy19:25 Debunking All Your Objections!26:26 Point of the StoryThis episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz.Mentioned in this episode:For $31/mo, get FIVE personal story prompts a month for your newsletter! Sara's Swipe File: A Newsletter Storytelling Subscription

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Oct 30, 2025 • 1h 5min
Everything You Want to Know About LinkedIn with Nicole Marguerite Gray
Nicole Marguerite Gray, a digital reputation strategist, brings her expertise to the table, convincing us why LinkedIn deserves a second look. She shares tips on transforming your profile into a sales page and discusses the effectiveness of the 11-touch rule for visibility. Nicole argues that a strong LinkedIn can even replace a website. With strategies for crafting compelling headlines and banners, she helps us reimagine what posting looks like on this platform. Get ready to embrace LinkedIn with confidence and creativity!

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Oct 23, 2025 • 1h 4min
The 70-Page Website Project: What's On It & How You Can DIY Your Copy
Dive into the world of website creation as a passionate creator unveils her ambitious 70-page site! Discover the reasoning behind the relaunch of a perfectly good website, and learn essential tips on DIYing your own copy. Uncover the various page categories, from core offerings to hidden backside gems that enhance user experience. Delve into strategies like keyword research, social proof, and effective audience engagement. It's a treasure trove of insights for anyone looking to level up their online presence!

Oct 16, 2025 • 58min
How To Make Every Pitch End In A “YES”- The Art Of The Orbit Jump with Chelsea Riffe
Is it just me, or are you also tired of getting cold pitches that make you want to hurl your phone across the room?I sat down with Chelsea Riffe, podcast strategist extraordinaire and the human embodiment of "if you don't ask, the answer's always no." We're talking orbit jumping (borrowing someone else's audience), why your pitch probably sucks, and how to ask for literally anything without being half-assed about it.If you've ever slid into someone's DMs with "I'd love to help" or "Let me know what you think" and wondered why you got no response, this episode is your intervention.TOPICS & TANGENTS— How to expand your world instead of staying in your echo chamber— The anatomy of a perfect pitch— The “charm and disarm” strategy— Navy blue sheets = unacceptable living conditions— Why "I'd love to help" makes me homicidal— The worst pitches we've ever received— My dating app line that worked every single timePOINT OF THE STORYDon’t be afraid of pitching. The worst thing that can happen is hearing "no,” which is exactly what you'll get if you don't ask at all.GIVEAWAYWant a free one-on-one strategy session with me? Go to Spotify and comment on this podcast episode what you would love to pitch someone, and I’ll enter you to win!Love you, mean it. 🖤CHELSEA LINKS— Follow Chelsea on Instagram and Threads— Join her program Pitch Perfect (Code: SARABTL for $100 off in October, but if you listen to this after October and send her a good pitch on why she should honor the code, she might still accept it!)— Subscribe to her podcasts The Art of the Ask and In My Non-Expert Opinion— Check out her website— Subscribe to her Substack— Chelsea’s walkout songBTL LINKS— Use code "MILLIONAIRE" for $100 off my website copywriting course, Site Series Sprint.— Join the Point of the Story community on Slack.— Leave feedback or episode requests in our Suggestions Box.— To stay up to date with all things Point of the Story, follow on Instagram and Substack.— Follow me on Instagram, Threads, and Substack.— Subscribe to my newsletters Tuesday Table of Contents for one marketing tip, once a week and Millionaire Moment for the insider tea on how I plan to make $1 mil in sales by my 31st birthday.— Check out my website betweenthelinescopy.com.OTHER LINKS— Follow Xanthe— Follow Maia— Main Character Moment - to fix your “idk how to write about myself” problemTIMESTAMPS00:00 Meet Chelsea Riffe, Podcast Strategist & Orbit Jumping Queen03:15 Rapid-Fire Squirrel Brain Questions11:00 The Art of Orbit Jumping16:21 Chelsea's Wildest Pitch22:30 The Perfect Pitch Recipe34:24 What Makes a Fuck-Ass Pitch46:42 What Makes Us Say Yes Every Time49:27 Pitching IRL: Dates, Upgrades & Credit Card Fees54:01 ClosingThis episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz.Mentioned in this episode:For $31/mo, get FIVE personal story prompts a month for your newsletter! Sara's Swipe File: A Newsletter Storytelling Subscription

Oct 9, 2025 • 42min
All My Streams of Income as a Copywriter and Marketing Mentor Making $400k/Year
When men talk about their revenue, they're "transparent" and "successful, “but when women do it, suddenly it's girl boss? Bullshit. Talking about money isn't #bossbabe! It's just being confident about the business you built.This is my first real solo episode of Point of the Story 2.0 (no more seasons, just me in your ears every Thursday forever), and I'm coming in HOT with the exact breakdown of how I make about $400k a year in my business.I'm walking you through every single way I make money — the services that account for half my income, the brand new $31/month subscription I just launched, and all the stuff I barely mention but still brings in cash.TOPICS & TANGENTS— The 11 income streams: services, programs, courses, workshops, templates, digital products, subscriptions, newsletter sponsorships, podcast sponsorships, affiliate income, and Substack— How website copywriting services make up 50% of my income (and why I rarely talk about them)— Why my OBM Claire nearly fainted when she saw the price of my new offer— The difference between a $7,900 website and a $30,000 website project— Success Story: my most prized possession and signature group mentorship program— Site Series Sprint and why it's the most comprehensive website copywriting course on the internet (I said what I said)— How newsletter sponsorships accidentally popped off— The Back To December pop punk cover I'm obsessed with (but you'll have to stick around until the bloopers for that one!)POINT OF THE STORYThere are a million different ways to make money in your business, and it's not girl boss to talk about your success. If someone thinks you're annoying for confidently discussing your income, they're not cooler than you — they're just not satisfied with their own life. Nobody cooler than you ever made fun of you. Remember that!GIVEAWAYLeave a review for the podcast and DM it to me at @btlcopy for a chance to win a 30-minute one-on-one strategy call with me!Love you, mean it. 🖤BTL LINKS— Use code "MILLIONAIRE" for $100 off my website copywriting course, Site Series Sprint.— Join the Point of the Story community on Slack.— Leave feedback or episode requests in our Suggestions Box.— To stay up to date with all things Point of the Story, follow on Instagram and Substack— Follow me on Instagram, Threads, and Substack.— Subscribe to my newsletters Tuesday Table of Contents for one marketing tip, once a week and Millionaire Moment for the insider tea on how I plan to make $1 mil in sales by my 31st birthday.— Check out my website betweenthelinescopy.com.OTHER LINKS— Follow Chelsea Riffe, Mariah Magazine, Claire French, Tori Sprankel— The $30,000 website— Use code BTLCOPY at Tonic Site Shop and Eldest Daughter Studio— Check out my services, Success Story (group mentorship for copywriters), Site Series Sprint (website copywriting course), my website copywriting template, and all other resources in my shop!TIMESTAMPS00:00 Welcome to Point of the Story 2.0!02:18 Ripping Off the Girl Boss Band-Aid07:23 Income Stream #1: Services16:57 Income Stream #2: Programs20:22 Income Stream #3: Courses23:27 Income Stream #4: Workshops26:36 Income Stream #5: Templates29:09 Income Stream #6: Digital Products30:52 Income Stream #7: Story Subscription Swipe File (Brand New Membership!)34:49 Income Streams #8 & #9: Newsletter & Podcast Sponsorships35:14 Income Stream #10: Affiliate Income37:23 Income Stream #11: Millionaire Moment on Substack38:34 Point of the StoryThis episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz.Mentioned in this episode:For $31/mo, get FIVE personal story prompts a month for your newsletter! Sara's Swipe File: A Newsletter Storytelling Subscription

Aug 28, 2025 • 49min
Season 2 Finale — I Answer My Own Squirrel Brain Questions
It's Season 2 finale time, which means I'm finally answering my own rapid-fire questions!But I didn’t just answer them, I also asked my friends to answer them for me because otherwise this episode would’ve been six minutes long, like Wesley’s (no shade to my 6-year old).I'm also dropping some major announcements about Season 3, my millionaire journey, and a brand new course that's about to fix your "writing about yourself sucks" problem forever.Thank you so much for joining me in all 34 episodes so far! Point of the Story is going on break now, and will be back on October. See you then, my precious squirrels!PS: While you wait, please tune in to the infinitely chaotic walkout song playlist, featuring all the responses from my season 2 guests.TOPICS & TANGENTS— My gift card birthday system for December babies— My friend who thought "walkout song" meant funeral music— Why people are nosy as fuck and DO want to hear what you had for breakfast— My journey rating every chai latte on Cape Cod— The upcoming Season 3 guest lineup that's absolutely stackedPOINT OF THE STORYPeople want to hear what you have to say, even if you think it's boring. Stop overthinking and start sharing!GIVEAWAYThis podcast episode features my first very ad, and, of course, it’s for a giveaway!If you want to win a FREE 30-minute strategy session with me in September, do at least one of the following to enter:1. Rate this podcast2. Leave me a review on Apple Podcasts3. Comment what you love about the podcast on SpotifySend me evidence in Instagram DMs @btlcopyLove you, mean it. 🖤BTL LINKS— Use code "MILLIONAIRE" for $100 off my website copywriting course, Site Series Sprint.— Join the Point of the Story community on Slack.— Leave feedback or episode requests in our Suggestions Box.— To stay up to date with all things Point of the Story, follow on Instagram and Substack.— Follow me on Instagram, Threads, and Substack.— Subscribe to my newsletters Tuesday Table of Contents for one marketing tip, once a week and Millionaire Moment for the insider tea on how I plan to make $1 mil in sales by my 31st birthday.— Check out my website betweenthelinescopy.com.OTHER LINKS— Past Episode: “No One Gets What You Do? Clarify Your Messaging with Abbie Radford”TIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro04:45 What's Your Nut?25:03 If Your Brain Had a Pop-Up Ad, What Would it Be Trying to Sell You Right Now?27:36 If Your Life Had a Warning Label, What Would It Say30:52 What’s Something You Would Win an Olympic Gold Medal In?33:46 What’s Something You Thought You’d Have Figured Out By Now, But You Don’t?36:48 If You Had a Walkout Song, What Would It Be?41:24 ClosingThis episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz.

Aug 21, 2025 • 8min
My Most Requested Guest Finally Shows Up: 6 Minutes With My 6-Year Old
The most requested guest FINALLY makes his debut!That's right, squirrels, my 6-year-old son Wesley is officially on the podcast to answer my rapid-fire squirrel brain questions, and it goes exactly how you’d expect.This might be the shortest and most chaotic episode in Point of the Story history, forever and always.TOPICS & TANGENTS— Candy, candy, and more candy— TOYYYYYYYSSSS!!!!— Why 304 + 568 is apparently advanced mathematics— Wesley’s life goals— Live popcorn ASMR nobody orderedPOINT OF THE STORYWesley proved that the secret to great content is showing up with main character energy, zero shame, and the confidence to fart on someone else's podcast.GIVEAWAYWant a free order of bean water on me? Tag me @btlcopy on your Instagram story while you’re listening, and one lucky winner will get a caffeine fix on me!Love you, mean it. 🖤BTL LINKS— Use code "MILLIONAIRE" for $100 off my website copywriting course, Site Series Sprint.— Join the Point of the Story community on Slack.— Leave feedback or episode requests in our Suggestions Box.— To stay up to date with all things Point of the Story, follow on Instagram and Substack.— Follow me on Instagram, Threads, and Substack.— Subscribe to my newsletters Tuesday Table of Contents for one marketing tip, once a week and Millionaire Moment for the insider tea on how I plan to make $1 mil in sales by my 31st birthday.— Check out my website betweenthelinescopy.com.This episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz.Mentioned in this episode:For $31/mo, get FIVE personal story prompts a month for your newsletter! Sara's Swipe File: A Newsletter Storytelling Subscription

Aug 14, 2025 • 1h 11min
Is Your Podcast Boring? How to Engage Listeners and Build Loyal Fans with Podcast Manager Adrienne Cruz
When I decided to launch a podcast, I had absolutely zero intention of editing it myself. Like, I cannot think of anything worse for someone with ADHD than planning, recording, editing, AND promoting a whole-ass show.Enter Adrienne Cruz, who cold-pitched me so perfectly I wanted to kiss her on the mouth.In this episode, I sit down with the woman who makes Point of the Story possible — my podcast editor, emo-Swiftie friend, and the reason I can just show up and yap while she handles literally everything else.We're diving into the psychology of listener engagement, the three stages every podcast listener goes through, and why your marketing efforts mean absolutely nothing if your show is boring as hell.TOPICS & TANGENTS— Pattern interruption and why your brain loves surprises— How to hook people in the first 60 seconds of your episode— Me saying the only phrase I know how to say in Spanish and how I plan to use it against Side Character someday— Why editing your podcast doesn't make it less authentic— Adrienne not being able to find her mirror neurons— Episode titles that actually make people click— Adrienne audits her clients’ podcasts— Season three planning happening live on the podcastPOINT OF THE STORYMarketing can bring people to your show, but only your show can make them stay. Focus on that second stage (engagement) that everyone ignores, and you'll turn casual listeners into superfans who never miss an episode.GIVEAWAYWant a free order of bean water on me? Tag me @btlcopy and Adrienne @adriennecruzpod on your Instagram story while you’re listening, and one lucky winner will get TWO caffeine fixes on me!AND — count how many times we drop the F-bomb in this episode. DM me the number, and you could win a prize!Love you, mean it. 🖤ADRIENNE LINKS— Follow Adrienne on Instagram and Threads— Check out her website and services— Subscribe to her newsletter Sounds Like Brunch— Adrienne’s walkout songs: girly pop option + emo optionBTL LINKS— Use code "MILLIONAIRE" for $100 off my website copywriting course, Site Series Sprint.— Join the Point of the Story community on Slack.— Leave feedback or episode requests in our Suggestions Box.— To stay up to date with all things Point of the Story, follow on Instagram and Substack.— Follow me on Instagram, Threads, and Substack.— Subscribe to my newsletters Tuesday Table of Contents for one marketing tip, once a week and Millionaire Moment for the insider tea on how I plan to make $1 mil in sales by my 31st birthday.— Check out my website betweenthelinescopy.com.OTHER LINKS (all podcasts, of course!)— 6 Degrees of Cats— Good Hang with Amy Poehler— The Freak Show— Modern Agent Marketing GirlsTIMESTAMPS00:00 Intro00:23 Meet Adrienne, My Podcast Manager!08:02 Rapid-Fire Squirrel Brain Questions20:19 Marketing Can't Make People Love Your Show26:02 Why Your Brain Loooves Being Surprised30:14 Your Listeners Should Want to Hang Out With You40:29 Mirror Neurons and Why Enthusiasm Is Contagious42:41 Keeping People on the Edge of Their Seats48:19 Vulnerability Without Trauma-Dumping Your Audience52:52 Honoring the Squirrel Brain (Why Editing Matters)57:49 What to Do Outside Your Episodes to Keep People Listening01:05:20 Point of the Story Season Three Planning Session01:08:48 ClosingThis episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz.
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