
That Relationship Show
The Couch offers an opportunity to hear experienced marriage counselors share what they've learned from decades of working with couples. If you and your partner are disconnected, unable to talk without arguing or wondering if you can save your relationship, Deb and Nao can help. Their warm, engaging way of talking about EFT can offer hope when all seems lost in your relationship.
Latest episodes

Jul 13, 2020 • 1h
Learning To Live With the Unimaginable
In 1986 the unimaginable happened to the Bias family when their basketball phenom son Len died from an accidental overdose that sparked the Reagan era war on drugs. Less than four years later tragedy struck again, this time claiming their beloved son Jay. In the years since, their mom Dr. Lonise Bias became an agent of change, helping others to prevent senseless loss and channel their grief towards positive outcomes. In this raw and revealing interview, she shares what she's learned about hope, faith and endurance with Deb & Nao.

Jun 28, 2020 • 1h 25min
Racism in America- Leaning in to the Truth
It's never easy to hold ourselves accountable--yet we ask this of our clients every day. Deb & Nao welcome Certified EFT therapist, author and Fulbright scholar Dr. Yamonte Cooper for a candid conversation about the history of racism in America, and how our own ideas of race were constructed.

Jun 6, 2020 • 1h 12min
Anger as an Invitation
At a time in history when righteous anger is at unprecedented levels, we sought the expertise of someone who could help us navigate this important signaling emotion. Certified EFT trainer Kenny Sanderfer, LMFT shows us what car hoods, beach balls and crowing chickens have to do with anger, and offers hope for understanding and reconciliation.

May 9, 2020 • 1h 24min
Difficult Conversations During Challenging Times
Join us as we welcome Certified EFT Therapist & Supervisor Jila Behnad, LMFT. During times of stress like the one we are all in with COVID 19, we may feel trapped or hopeless. During these times especially we need to be seen by those who matter most to us, and to see them in return. Jila offers tools to navigate the conversations that will foster connection, even in the most challenging circumstances.

Apr 5, 2020 • 1h 8min
What Makes Sex Great?
In times of distress, uncertainty and sorrow it becomes clear that we need both connection and resilience. It is precisely these times that create opportunities for increased intimacy in relationships. Dr. Peggy Kleinplatz has studied the ways that human beings overcome obstacles to co-create magnificent sex. She shares what she and co-author Dr. Dana Menard learned from 15 years of research.

Mar 15, 2020 • 1h 30min
Finding Empathy & Compassion
As the uncertainty of COVID 19 impacts all of us around the world, Dr. Rebecca Jorgensen joins us to talk about the role of empathy and compassion in relationships. She explains how mirror neurons can help us infer intent with others, and reminds us that empathy for ourselves is always important.

Feb 29, 2020 • 1h 2min
Childhood Emotional Neglect
In this episode Deb & Nao highlight a common yet often undiagnosed block to connection: Childhood Emotional Neglect. Psychologist and expert on the diagnosis and treatment of CEN Jonice Webb talks about its symptoms, and what is absolutely necessary to repair this injury and restore emotional connection.

Feb 15, 2020 • 59min
Pornography: A Crisis Hidden in Plain Sight
Like the opioid crisis, pornography lurks in the open with most of us unaware of how violent and easily accessible it is, damaging children, adolescents and adult sexual relationships in its wake. Dr. Gail Dines, researcher and expert on the impact of pornography on human development and society joins us for a frank and often shocking discussion of this important issue.

Jan 12, 2020 • 1h 19min
Polyvagal What?
Have you ever wondered what makes us flip out, numb out or even just chill out when we're interacting with someone? We have, so we invited therapist and Polyvagal Mapping expert Deb Dana to help us understand the biology that drives these states. She offers tips for getting back to chill out when we're triggered.

Dec 15, 2019 • 1h 4min
The Men's Episode
Deb and Nao enlist the help of Master EFT therapist Jim Thomas to discuss what it's like to be a man in relationships. From familial to cultural messages, they list the subtle and overt pressures that can make connection difficult for men. In the process they conclude that men are not, in fact, from Mars; they originate right alongside women on planet Earth.