
That Relationship Show
The Couch offers an opportunity to hear experienced marriage counselors share what they've learned from decades of working with couples. If you and your partner are disconnected, unable to talk without arguing or wondering if you can save your relationship, Deb and Nao can help. Their warm, engaging way of talking about EFT can offer hope when all seems lost in your relationship.
Latest episodes

Mar 29, 2021 • 1h 1min
Forgiveness-- Part One
For couples who have experienced breaches of trust or other injuries, repair, reconciliation and forgiveness can seem out of reach. Psychologist and EFT Trainer Dr. Sam Jinich joins Deb & Nao to offer pathways to healing, even when it means leaving a relationship.

Mar 1, 2021 • 54min
Miscarriages, Infertility and Couples
Reproductive Psychologist Dr. Janet Jaffe joins Deb & Nao to talk about the tremendous impact that miscarriages and infertility have on couples. She explains the power of our reproductive stories, and offers ideas for meaning making and support during what for many couples is the most difficult issue they have ever faced together.

Feb 6, 2021 • 1h 14min
Waking up to Different Americas
We welcome Workplace Success Group CEO Karen Hinds and professor of psychology Dr. Feion Villodas to talk about the two Americas. From overt to implicit racism, and the positions of privilege that have rendered them invisible to many, we explore what well-meaning folks in the majority can do to affect change.

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Jan 9, 2021 • 1h 6min
What is EFIT? And How Does It Work?
Dr. Leanne Campbell, a leading EFT trainer and co-founder of the Vancouver Island Center for Emotionally Focused Therapies, shares insights on Emotionally Focused Individual Therapy. She discusses how EFIT nurtures resilience and self-awareness, crucial for thriving relationships. The conversation covers the impact of the pandemic on emotional stability and the importance of secure attachments. Leanne also emphasizes fostering self-compassion, the healing journey of emotional processing, and Creating safe spaces for growth to enhance personal connections.

Dec 3, 2020 • 59min
Prince: Music Legend & Attachment Figure
Attachment figures are those we turn to for comfort and support; including family members, mentors and spiritual or religious notables. But they can be found in other places as well. EFT therapist Monica McDonald describes how an introduction to the music of Prince in childhood led to his place as her cherished Attachment figure, even after his death.

Oct 24, 2020 • 1h 18min
Decoding Emotional Immaturity
Having an emotionally immature parent or partner can wreak havoc on our sense of self-yet we are often unaware of what exactly is causing our pain in these relationships. Psychologist and ground-breaking author Dr. Lindsay Gibson joins us for an illuminating and clarifying conversation on EI.

Oct 3, 2020 • 1h 7min
Strategies for Relationship Success
Kathryn de Bruin, LMFT joins Deb & Nao for a fascinating mix of personal stories and neuroscience. She helps us understand how the strategies we develop as infants continue to serve us throughout our lives---and how we can change the bits that are no longer helping.

Sep 12, 2020 • 1h 9min
A Modern Approach to Addiction
When you add social media to the list of dopamine-inducing options that beckon us, it's hard to find anyone who hasn't experienced the pull of addiction. Therapist and film producer Hope Payson, LICSW joins us to unpack the complexities of addiction, and offers a path to recovery through a modern lens.

Aug 23, 2020 • 1h 9min
Transforming Sexual Narratives
In this lively conversation, Dr. Suzanne Iasenza explains why we shouldn't let a theory developed by researchers in 1957 define our sexuality today. She offers hope to couples who want to transform their sexual relationships whilst working on or maintaining their emotional connection.

Aug 2, 2020 • 1h 11min
Hollywood, Bruce Lee & View of Self
Award winning filmmaker Bao Nguyen joins us to talk about his inspiration for the Bruce Lee biopic Be Water. From his own experience as the child of Vietnamese refugees to the blatant racism of the 1960's, Bao helps us understand the many factors that contribute to our views of self and others. Deb and Nao explain the impact this has on our relationships, and how awareness can help us avoid the negative cycle.