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Jul 12, 2024 • 50min

118: George Bradt - Onboarding—Culture First—for the Modern Workforce

George Bradt is the Founder and Chair of PrimeGenesis, an executive onboarding and transition acceleration consultancy. He has authored many books including “The New Leader’s 100-day Action Plan.” George brings his international senior management experience, including witnessing and welcoming new leaders and team members into many large multinational corporations. He shares his experiences highlighting the importance of corporate cultural assimilation and relationship building for new hires. George explains when and how onboarding optimally starts and ends and how to update the process for a distributed workforce.   TAKEAWAYS [02:30] After studying economics, George starts in sales working for an industry leader.   [04:02] George brings a successful, different approach to selling.   [04:54] George moves to Procter and Gamble, the academy company for marketing at the time.   [06:36] The success of a multi-step process for his sales team at Unilever starts George realizing what onboarding means.   [08:39] At Procter and Gamble, it was all purposeful, disciplined onboarding.   [07:05] How ongoing support and alignment are crucial for the success of new hires beyond the initial onboarding period.     [09:10] He challenges the traditional notion of onboarding being limited to the first day, week, or month.     [10:30] Deliberate efforts are necessary to build relationships and company culture in distributed work environments.     [14:00] George's Forbes article gets much feedback about corporate cultures with distributed workforces.     [17:02] Onboarding new hires effectively is essential for productivity and retention.     [20:30] Coca Cola does not have a copy strategy while George is there.     [21:50] George explains his shift towards focusing on onboarding after realizing an unmet need in the industry.     [23:11] The four main ideas of effective onboarding.     [24:35] Why a structured onboarding plan before Day One matters.     [26:00] Consider an onboarding scenario, highlighting the different sentiments and expectations.     [27:20] Building relationships before starting a new job to set a positive initial dynamic.     [28:45] How leaders can onboard new team members, aligning and accomodating them.     [30:10] He suggests companies allow new hires to conduct due diligence before officially accepting a job offer.     [32:00] Transparency and providing necessary resources are crucial from Day One.     [33:25] George shares his experience with Procter and Gamble's rigorous and specific onboarding process, including the one-page memo format.     [34:50] After six years at Procter and Gamble, George contemplates staying forever.     [38:00] George explains experiences at Coca Cola that led him to focus on onboarding.     [39:40] He notes that despite Coca Cola's history, they had a flawed onboarding process for new hires.     [41:10] The importance of understanding and co-creating the ideal future culture with your team.     [42:30] He suggests that leaders should pay more attention to onboarding and actively create personal onboarding plans for new employees.     [44:00] To support onboardin cultural rituals are important to understand.     [45:15] He emphasizes aligning new hires with the current culture before co-creating an ideal future culture.     [46:30] George points out the lack of attention to onboarding by leaders and the need for their involvement in the process.     [47:50] He concludes by highlighting the importance of focusing on culture and relationships in a hybrid work environment.     IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: As soon as possible after someone accepts their new position, before Day One on the job, get their manager to sit down with them to co-create the person’s own personal onboarding plan, particularly emphasizing culture and building relationships.      RESOURCES   George Bradt on LinkedIn Prime Genesis website George’s book “The New Leader’s 100-Day Action Plan”     QUOTES   "The one most important idea is you have to converge into an organization or a team before you try to evolve it. You have to become part of the team and evolve it from the inside."   “If you're onboarding somebody who's working remotely, you've got to be incredibly deliberate and invest so much time in building the relationships."   "Give them the time, give them clarity of direction, give them the resources, and then eventually give them the authority they needed to do what they needed to do."   "All that matters is relationships. Any question, any meeting, you know, the answer to any question is you're caring about building relationships."   "Acquire them in the way that's going to work going forward, accommodate them so that they can do work, assimilate them so they can work with others, and then stick with it and help them accelerate."   "Ultimately, culture is the way people behave, the way they relate, their attitudes, their values, the environment. What's different with remote work is how deliberate you have to be about relationships."
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Jun 28, 2024 • 47min

117: Allison Vendt - Virtual First: Research-based Intentional Reinvention for Modern Work

Allison Vendt is Senior Director, People Operations (Virtual First, People PMO, People Analytics) at Dropbox. She shares key reasons and research behind Dropbox’s transformation to ‘Virtual First’ starting with an office-centric culture. Allison discusses insights since the initial design phase and implementation including the change management required. She explains the ongoing evolution of the company’s virtual first approach to the Future of Work as they continue to pilot, learn, and iterate. Allison describes how they create high impact employees’ experiences with emphasis on culture, connections, and community.     TAKEAWAYS   [02:38] Allison quickly discovers law school is not for her and finds American studies fascinating.   [04:00] Allison wants to do something creative and starts working in media planning.   [04:55] Wanting more daily impact on people, Allison does a graduate degree in education.   [05:16] Allison was a student athlete herself – a swimmer.   [06:20] As an academic advisor, Allison runs orientation, tutoring, and development programs as well as coaching and counseling.   [06:48] Intrigued by Silicon Valley, while at Stanford, Allison runs a technology-integrated program for entrepreneurs.   [08:46] Parallels between high-achieving student athletes and Allison's current coworkers.   [10:19] Starting her first job in tech, Allison feels at home at once thanks to Dropbox's culture.   [11:24] While the L&D group transitions, Allison is open to experimenting and shifts role.   [13:18] Exploring how employees can own their careers through personal growth plans.   [14:08] More current focus on mentorship and skills.   [15:30] Pandemic shifts give Allison ‘Virtual First’ as her first strategy and operations project.   [16:40] Before 2020, Dropbox explores remote work while having an office-centric culture.   [18:02] The company's mission is relevant as they become intentional about reinventing what modern work looks like.   [20:44] Mindset shifts for virtual first, prioritizing human connection and adopting asynchronous by default   [22:22] Research on effective distributed work principles focused on an asynchronous by default mindset and upskilling everyone.   [23:48] Needing to reinvent everything, one work stream is dedicated to culture and community.   [24:57] Investing in cultural tethers and touchpoints that connect people and drive belonging include a neighborhood program with local relevant events.   [26:53] A mentoring program helps build weak ties, reinventing core elements for Virtual First.   [27:54] The empowering essence and elements of Dropbox’s self-serve mindset and strategy.   [29:48] Investing in training managers who play a critical role in distributed work effectiveness.   [30:52] Iterative ongoing piloting and learning with an open source Virtual First toolkit.   [32:19] Research drives the decision not to choose hybrid to avoid creating two employee experiences.   [34:06] Being transparent about choices and principles, Virtual First still wasn't for everyone, but some have returned.   [34:46] Virtual First is executed with a learning mindset, just like Dropbox builds products.   [35:26] Change management is critical for the organizational transformation.   [36:30] Onboarding is overhauled and refined—identifying synchronous and self-paced aspects.   [37:29] What are the frameworks for success? How to make Virtual First work for you.   [39:14] The potential for AI to reduce friction at work starting with AI training.   [40:40] Potential AI opportunities as behaviors and tools must go hand in hand to get more focus time and flow time.   [42:35] IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: Consider virtual first over hybrid. Whatever the size of your organization, you can adapt the core framework appropriately. Try a virtual first approach with one unit of your company to see if it could work. The benefits of happy productive employees outweigh the challenges.     RESOURCES Allison Vendt on LinkedIn Dropbox on LinkedIn Dropbox on Instagram Dropbox on X     QUOTES edited   “We really had to take this opportunity to reinvent what modern work looked like.” “We wanted to do our due diligence. We came up with a set of guiding principles that four years later continue to guide the work. It was really important for us to be intentional about what we were doing to have a solid design to kick us off.”   “Virtual First means we work remotely, that's our primary orientation of work. But we do prioritize human connection. We really believe there's just no replacement for that face-to-face in-person connection.”   “We had to reinvent how we work. All the research that we had done on effective distributed work principles was leading with an asynchronous by default mindset that we had to get really good at.”   “We try to think about meetings being for debate, decision making, and discussion, not about status updates, for example, which you can easily do asynchronously.”   “We were very clear we need to reinvent everything, including looking at our culture.”   "We've done a lot of transformation around the knowledge management piece. So much about Virtual First is about empowerment -- individual empowerment."    “The role of the manager is so critical in any workplace, but certainly in a distributed environment. So we've invested a lot in manager training, making sure that all of our Virtual First principles, research that we're learning and insights that we have are getting are embedded into our manager training.”   "We deliberately elected not to adopt a hybrid model that was based on the research that we had done. Ultimately, we felt like leveraging a hybrid model was going to create two different experiences for employees."
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Jun 21, 2024 • 58min

116: Ryan Anderson – Evolving Workspace Landscaping Un/Tethered by Technology

Ryan Anderson is Vice President of Global Research and Insights at MillerKnoll leading research and providing workplace strategy and application design advisory services. He also hosts MillerKnoll’s “About Place” podcast. With much experience at the intersection of workplace research, innovation, and technology, Ryan discusses evolving working needs un/tethered by technology. He explains how urban landscaping concepts support human-centric office-based design. Ryan recommends incremental office improvements to match evolving work needs and change management to support any facility update.     TAKEAWAYS   [02:19] A random decision to study marketing, however Ryan finds he loves the audience focus.   [03:55] In furniture product development, Ryan finds the commercialization process tough, but learns a lot.   [04:24] Ryan is drawn to the conceptual phases, empathizing to understand unmet needs.   [06:07] How West Michigan has a concentration of workplace design companies.   [06:54] Ryan grew up thinking furniture was boring but learns how much more there is to it.    [08:35] In Chicago, Ryan meets his wife and studies purpose-driven business and ethics-based leadership.   [10:27] Ryan transitions to a corporate/design role as technology integration changes work settings.   [11:19] Commercial interior design and Ryan respond to employees’ new technology setups.   [13:14] A history lover, Ryan describes key design people and an office landscape movement.    [13:37] The fascinating use of urban planning principles for office landscaping.   [14:30] Desk-based workers’ needs drive workspace planning and fuel industry growth.   [15:00] The original goal of the cubicle—to provide workplace variety!   [16:08] Workspaces need to evolve to keep in tempo with work.   [17:07] Tech trends dictated earlier workplace constraints and are now releasing us from them.   [18:36] Understanding evergreen needs while envisioning and maturing ideas through experimentation.   [20:00] Ryan moves company to align with designing for the tech user not the technology.    [21:42] Mid-2010’s, The Living Office anticipates and amplifies the consumerization of technology.   [22:52] Partnering with big tech companies to revisit office landscaping for the modern era.   [23:40] Exploring ‘prop tech’ – the technological evolution of the building – smart buildings.   [24:30] Sensors and other tech enhancements start to personalize office experiences.   [25:00] The SaaS business model interest Ryan who joins a fast-growing prop tech venture.   [26:18] Ryan shifts focus to changing digitized work experiences rather than tech integration.   [26:59] The workplace ‘product’ must support diverse teams’ evolving digitalized work needs.   [31:08] Douglas McGregor’s framework of Theory X and Theory Y management.      [32:45] With distributed work, designing spaces to supervise work is unrealistic.   [33:58] Community building and urban planning are enabling an ecosystem of people.   [34:51] Optimizing for office-based work activities, such as for longer form collaboration.   [35:53] What do offices best provide – structured collaboration and focused concentration?   [37:03] Understand teams operating in a facility to address their changing activities and needs.    [38:25] Not many organizations are supporting their employees’ home working settings yet.   [39:51] The prospect of major projects and expensive capital are stalling renovation plans.   [42:03] Service As A Space concepts also involve investing in space that evolves over time.   [43:55] AI has the potential to create safer, healthier, smarter buildings.   [44:56] The possibilities of AI tools to augment the design process.   [48:28] Work is best determined by a social contract that’s beneficial not location-based or too restrictive.   [49:52] Ryan shares how his team updates their team working agreement protocols.   [50:49] Rewind assumptions to consider old and new ideas to support teams’ needs.   [51:10] Neighborhood-based planning allows connectedness, attachment, and scalability.    [54:18] New office landscaping uses neighborhoods similarly to 15-minute cities.   [55:00] Why strong and weak ties matter.   [50:49] IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: Real estate strategies follow talent—so develop incremental office improvements that purposefully encourage connection and interaction. Create in-office neighborhoods to support teams’ sense of community and belonging with flexibility for regular updates responding to evolving work needs.     RESOURCES   Ryan Anderson on LinkedIn MillerKnoll’s website MillerKnoll on Instagram HermanMiller on Instagram Knoll on Instagram HMInsightGroup on X MillerKnoll on X Douglas McGregor’s framework of Theory X and Theory Y     QUOTES (edited)   “We're all looking at what is the post desktop, post cubicle era of working looks like.”   “You design for the technology user, not the technology. You have to understand the patterns of behavior, even though the tool sets evolve.”   “Recognizing that our work experiences are increasingly becoming digitized and virtual, the work is becoming digital, but that we're physical beings and physical spaces. We need to figure out how to allow people to exist in these physical spaces and use those tech tools in a really healthy, fun, productive way.”   “Facility managers and corporate real estate leaders are product owners that own the product—the workplace. The focus is on helping them better understand their teams, the diverse nature of those teams, the evolving nature of the work, and trying to conceptualize a space that gets better over time.”   “Regardless of your inherent perspectives on management, the thought of using a space to supervise work in an era of digitized distributed work is extremely unrealistic.”   “What can this space do to help our employees to collaborate in new ways, offer them experiences they can't have at home. That is a healthy and better approach. It's just complicated. It's more complicated than saying, well line 'em up in rows so that I can watch them effectively.”   “It’s urban planning. We’re taking these principles, we’re bringing them inside the building. We’re enabling an ecosystem of people.”   “Any facilities project is a change management project, and any real estate strategy has to follow talent.”
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Jun 14, 2024 • 57min

115: Jenny He - Pursuing Productivity Managing Distributed Teams

Jenny He is the Founder, CEO, and licensed contractor at Ergeon, a construction company making home renovation easier for consumers and contractors. Jenny combines her strong engineering, technology, and consulting background to convert and facilitate contractors’ construction projects as well as to manage Ergeon’s fully distributed workforce. She applies a consistent, rigorous approach to contracted project progress and outcomes as well as to evaluating individual employees’ task and teamwork results. Jenny shares her thoughtful analysis of how productivity can be assessed and tracked appropriately for specific disciplines, teams, and individuals.       TAKEAWAYS    [03:15] Jenny is born in China to parents who are both engineers.     [03:53] Jenny moves to the UK at 10 years old as her father pursues research and his PhD.    [04:48] The family moves to Canada and Jenny studies electrical engineering at college.    [05:24] Enjoying solving hard problems, Jenny's PhD optimizes Internet routing protocols.    [07:23] A random situation results in Jenny becoming a consultant and joining McKinsey.    [08:37] Learning leadership and soft skills, Jenny follows good managers, not projects.    [09:34] The hardest part is not solving the problem but defining the right problem to solve.    [11:42] Jenny discovers insufficient technology is built to support skills tradespeople.     [13:00] Jenny proposes a useful solution for a skilled field tech—how else can she help?    [13:59] EZ Home’s app gamifies workflow for gardening service providers.    [15:28] The CTO/Founder of EZ Home also co-founded Odesk and has great relevant experience.    [16:22] Tackling physical work projects is even harder than Odesk’s business.    [16:48] Why the technology needs to be more mature for the new venture.    [19:29] Jenny wants to empower high skilled trade entrepreneurs.    [20:50] Renovating her home, Jenny plans and uses technology and has a positive experience!    [23:02] The name Ergeon captures the vision of the company.    [25:07] Measuring customers’ experiences is a key productivity metric.    [28:12] Jenny takes project complexity into account and assesses contributions to set prices.    [29:09] How Jenny's business takes care of most front- and back-office construction coordination.    [36:06] Creating a scalable, full distributed factory with an iterative communication process.    [31:02] Scalable groups perform tasks with construction knowledge embedded into the technology.    [32:28] They identify specific skills to hire for and teach the rest.    [33:25] Is the unit of productivity the team or the individual?    [34:55] To measure productivity, there often need to be sufficient similar jobs to compare.    [36:44] Onboarding is very deliberate since Ergeon hires many people with no experience.    [37:32] In the first few days, new hires are trained about processes and best practices.    [38:44] Role-playing in initial weeks’ boot camps increase knowledge and confidence.    [40:25] Onboarding timeframes and programs depend on the type and complexity of the role.    [42:30] Distributed working issue #1: Building trust is hard.    [43:15] Transparency is important to avoid a tiered system of senior execs and everyone else.    [44:12] Distributed work issue #2: Mitigating time zones using async methods and alignment.    [45:13] Distributed work issue #3: Interpersonal connections need purposeful nurturing.    [47:03] How to evaluate individuals whose productivity is measured at a team level.    [50:34] Technology progress leads to reskilling, evolving roles, and supported outplacement.    [53:27] IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: To measure productivity, start with performance and assess variation between identical roles. Address systematic challenges hindering goal achievement including employees’ access to suitable tools before identifying productivity measures and ensure people have the training and support to focus their efforts.    [54:48] Jenny is revising for multiple exams so Ergeon can operate in many more U.S. states.        RESOURCES    Jenny He on LinkedIn  Ergeon’s website  Ergeon on Instagram  Ergeon on X  Ergeon on Facebook        QUOTES (edited)    “Often the hardest part isn't solving the problem, but defining what is the right problem to solve.”  “We also have other teams in the company like supply ops because it's a small team. we're looking at the team level targets and productivity versus the individual. Because I do believe, unless you have say five plus people doing exactly the same job, they can't be having some different variants of the job.”  “Building trust is hard, and it is harder in a distributed environment.”  “We are trying to create a scaleable factory where no one’s co-located.”  “We do a lot of async communications and make to make [work] sustainable for people. We're generally thoughtful about hiring for specific roles where async work is easier.”  On connection, “It's not even just about distributed or not, it's if everyone is co-located, it happens somewhat naturally. When you can't not see other people and have casual conversations, it has to be then very purposeful to create that environment. To give people that opportunity to connect.”  “Start with performance, before you think about productivity. Understand how much variation you have within the exact same roles. If the delta is huge, what is causing the delta—are there systematic challenges that make it difficult for people to achieve their goals?”   
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May 31, 2024 • 51min

114: Dart Lindsley – Reframing Work as a Product and Employees as Customers

Dart Lindsley is Strategic Advisor, People Experience at Google. He is also a writer, speaker, and host of the Work for Humans podcast – on a mission to humanize work. Dart share insights about his realization that businesses are multisided marketplaces where employees are (overlooked) customers of work and work is a product. To better design the work product, Dart recognizes teams’ agency and ability to allocate their attention among themselves to complete tasks effectively. He discusses a flipped org chart with managers in supportive, rather than authoritative, roles. Dart advocates for more leadership closest to the customer.       TAKEAWAYS   [02:05] Dart is an undergraduate for seven years partly because his brother told him never to graduate!   [03:47] Dart explores unpopular forms of writing which makes earning a living hard.   [04:37] Being a criminal defense investigator rearranges Dart’s soul.   [06:45] After a master’s degree, Dart becomes a recruiter to earn more as he starts a family.   [08:34] Dart’s family are scientists, so his career transitioned to analytical work after a recruiting downturn.   [09:49] Dart inserts himself into the team doing strategic work designing the new staffing system.   [10:52] Finding a home in analytical disciplines which are less burdensome and emotional.   [12:26] Dart explores tooling, UX, change management and Six Sigma, ending up with organizational design.   [13:36] Facilitating business architecture resonates with Dart who is very interested in how large systems create experiences.   [15:03] Companies are ‘n’ dimensional: humans cannot observe them or handle more than 3 dimensions.   [15:49] Human Resources had not been analyzed from a business architecture point of view before.   [17:03] Business architecture is only needed for companies going through significant transformation to discover new operational capabilities needs and how they interrelate.   [18:08] Translating strategic capability requirements into tech systems and architecture is not easy.   [20:48] Business architecture change derives from either market changes or new tech capabilities—as now.   [21:20] The pace layer of technology is usually the slowest thing. Not now, so much experimentation is needed.   [22:35] Dart initially subscribes to the traditional model of HR where employees are the inputs of production.   [23:48] Employee has happiness has not been a concern—only productivity which Dart finds ethically flawed.   [25:10] Dart notices ‘employees’ show up in two places—inside (production inputs) and outside (customers).   [25:59] Working on a patent for Cisco, Dart explores multi-sided businesses and realizes employees are also (forgotten) customers.   [28:25] If employees are customers, what are we selling them? We need to design work better.   [29:03] Do people want only autonomy, mastery and purpose? Dart finds 35+ more answers!   [30:15] People usually want 8 things from work. Only 4 likely overlap, so how to optimize individually?   [31:05] Lack of autonomy is a cost of a job, like social anxiety and threats to health and safety.   [32:33] Managers are key to a design-centered solution.   [33:28] Design is about empathy, understanding employees’ needs, scaling with managers below on the org chart.   [34:10] Managers are brokers between demand for the team’s labor and the market for work—the work people want to do.   [37:10] A team can act as a smart organism allocating its attention to work and delivering value.   [38:32] Color coding how rewarding work is—green, yellow, and red. What happens when colors change.   [39:41] The range of issues and solutions affecting the cost side of work.   [42:14] How do we design our lives so as not to be ‘inputs of production’?   [43:31] How a team agrees on what business value is and the core mission.   [44:25] Is the manager winning the work the team wants to do? And the type of client the team wants?   [47:10] IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: To enable a dexterous organization, let the edges closest to the customers lead. Giving more agency to the agents will facilitate guided emergence, while anchoring your organization with values, purpose, and focus.       RESOURCES   Dart Lindsley on LinkedIn Dart’s website Dart’s Work for Humans podcast Bill Burnet’s book “Designing Your Life”       QUOTES (edited)   “if you're an input to production and my main objective is to make you productive, then if I can make you productive by being happy, great. But, if I can make you productive and you're miserable, great. It's not a concern.”   “The only reason I'm going to care about a human is because of what they give me as a company? It just struck me as like ethically flawed.”   “For the first 10 years of working in HR, I subscribed to the traditional model of HR which is that employees are inputs of production who must be acquired.”   “If employees are customers, what are we selling them? We’re selling them work. If work’s a product, then it’s a design problem and we can design it better.”   “Managers are designers, even ‘product’ managers. [They act] as a broker between two markets. One market is the demand for the labor of the team—so the value that flows towards the traditional customer. The other is the market for work and the work that people want to do.”
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May 24, 2024 • 48min

113: Melissa Puls - Leading From Anywhere: Trust, Purpose, and Results

Melissa Puls is the Chief Marketing Officer and SVP of Customer Success at Ivanti which provides software solutions that elevate and secure EverywhereWork. Melissa brings deep experience building and leading decentralized teams. She shares her critical learnings that have enabled effective teamwork and successful outcomes. Melissa discusses key principles when implementing flexibility, the importance of change management, and how to identify non-performing remote team members. Melissa describes the holistic support distributed employees need, especially including IT and security.     TAKEAWAYS   [02:27] Melissa studies communications and psychology not realizing their connection with marketing.   [03:40] Melissa’s mother is head of marketing at a tech company teaching Melissa women can do anything.   [04:17] Her entrepreneur father becomes mayor wanting to do good things for their country city.   [04:50] Her parents partner well, managing to prioritize Melissa and her sister, and demonstrating the importance of workplace flexibility.   [07:15] As her mother exits Kronos, Melissa feels purposeful in her starting role as a fulfillment coordinator.   [08:55] Melissa’s mother put the human element first in building teams, embracing different points of view.    [09:35] After setting up the fulfillment center, Melissa’s time is freed up. Should she relax or solve new problems?!    [10:15] Melissa pitches a promotion to help out the stressed-out marketing managers—her boss says yes!   [12:05] Wanting to live and raise a family by the ocean, and tired of commuting, Melissa leaves Kronos and moves to the Cape.   [13:16] Melissa lands a lead marketing role at a local tech company which then rolls up into a billion-dollar global organization.   [13:55] Maintaining her boundaries, Melissa stays remote, managing her teams based everywhere.   [15:26] At times, Melissa commutes in part of the week when certain leaders didn’t share her mindset.   [16:56] The first, critical principal is to give people the benefit of the doubt that they will do the right thing.   [17:10] Put people in an environment where they can do their best work and respect their boundaries.   [17:51] Many leaders don’t trust people to do the right thing. How to identify the few employees who don’t?   [18:57] Every employee must understand their purpose, how it relates to the bigger picture, and have clear metrics and expectations.   [19:40] What people say and how they react if there isn’t a good fit.   [21:28] Melissa learned from her father that some choose to set their boundary at doing the minimum work.   [22:42] Melissa joins Iron Mountain for an integrated growth marketing role.   [23:25] Highly corporate centric when she joins, Iron Mountain decides to move and shrink their office space.   [24:39] Employees get two choices: all in-office with a dedicated desk or flexibility with a shared desk.   [26:30] Motivated by costs, Iron Mountrain creates great new space and supports others’ change to work flexibly.   [28:16] Engagement goes up, people are more productive opting for the environment they can work best in.   [29:41] Iron Mountain is set up for success with a strong culture, purpose, and good performance management principles and protocols.   [30:17] Not everyone is on board with the change—which is natural.   [31:19] Ask, not assume, if people can meet your needs.   [32:21] Impressions can be misleading. Set your boundary and have the tough conversation.   [34:36] Melissa's current company is paving the way for flexible work everywhere—internally and for customers.   [35:44] Leaders support flexible work, but are IT and security professionals set up to support them?   [35:15] In new work situations, what new risks are employees under that need to be addressed?   [37:56] Silos between security and IT are decreasing their effectiveness.   [40:32] Frontline managers need to buy in fully to the value of flexible working, not be ‘told’.   [42:09] Deploying flexible work principles: holding people accountable and respecting their independence.   [42:58] Every industry, company, and job is different, so flexibility differs.   [44:23] IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: Put people in an environment where they can do their best work being clear about purpose, roles, responsibilities, outcomes, and deliverables, and ensure there is alignment between IT and security teams so they can provide and support the right tools for flexible work. Then trust that employees will do the right thing.     RESOURCES   Melissa Puls on LinkedIn Melissa on X Ivanti’s website Ivanti on X Ivanti on Instagram Ivanti’s 2024 Everywhere Work Report     QUOTES (edited)   “We understand flexibility is not only about what the company needs, but also what the individual needs.”   “It takes time and effort and energy and focus for an organization to bring along the right frontline managers so that they understand the purpose of what they're doing and making sure they deploy those principles of flexible work.”   “Hire the best people for the best job it really doesn't matter where they're located.”   “Most important is to give people the benefit of the doubt that they're going to do the right thing.”   “Every single person in your organization needs to understand what their purpose is and how it relates to the bigger picture, vision, and mission of the company and what they can do to contribute to that.”   “Only upside for the company financially—they were in a better spot, less space, more flexible. And the people that opted for that were in an environment where they felt that they could do great work.”   "The importance of having alignment between IT and security, where they have real insights into how the business is operating so they can provide the right tools and really maximize flexible work."
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May 17, 2024 • 60min

112. Juliette Powell - Co-creating with AI: Creative Friction, Trust, and Transparency

Juliette Powell is Founder and Managing Partner of Kleiner Powell International, a consultancy working at the intersection of responsible technology and business. She is co-author of “The AI Dilemma: 7 Principles for Responsible Technology.” Juliette brings rich technology research and innovation experience to evaluate our evolving landscape as we anticipate AI integration. She explains her core concerns—what we need to pay attention and lean into. She discusses the importance of personal data ownership, creative friction, digital trust, and logic. Juliette explains how diverse contributions diminish divergent, asymmetric trajectories, so we all need to be actively involved.      TAKEAWAYS   [02:30] Monopoly is Juliette’s favorite game as a kid, showing how you can change your circumstances.   [02:50] Juliette studies finance and international business to understand global interconnectedness.   [03:15] At university, Juliette develops a TV career focusing on the business side of media.   [04:32] Interviewing Janet Jackson and Nelson Mandela reveals juxtaposed insecurity and confidence.   [07:30] Juliette’s first book results from her involvement with TED’s original founder producing the conference and meeting visionary thinkers.   [08:10] Transitioning from TV, Juliette explores technologies and the rise of social media.   [10:25] Citizen journalism and political messaging delivered using digital channels fascinates Juliette.   [12:10] Juliette tries to lead as her whole self, seeing people disconnecting their work/non-work lives.   [13:20] Where engineers can experience misalignment making decisions in their AI-related work.   [14:20] Juliette highlights those who live holistically as fully integrated people in her first book.   [15:00] Integrated work/life experienced early on meeting a couple working remotely in Thailand.   [16:50] Early career motivation to find work thinking about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.   [18:58] How the internet extended possibilities beyond someone’s local geography.   [19:50] Ecosystem pressures raise mental health issues and people trying to survive not thrive.   [20:50] Navigating uncertainty—personally and professionally—requires having Plan A, B, C, and D.   [21:44] Juliette founded the Gathering to ensure diversity and avoid past mistakes in tech development.   [24:41] At TED, there is no separation between the expertise on stage and the audience.   [26:04] Turing AI and WeTheData.org focus on the personal data ecosystem, ownership, and ethical use.   [27:48] Research reveals four grand challenges include digital trust and digital infrastructure/access.   [29:30] An ‘eBay for data’ to aggregate and monetize personal data as Finns do.   [31:31] Research on Americans’ and Europeans’ different attitudes to their personal data.   [35:26] Most of Juliette’s NYU students are terrified of the potential impact of AI on their skills.   [36:25] Students’ potential questions ‘Will I have meaning? Can I contribute anything?’   [37:40] Juliette teaches students research methods to reduce fear and build confidence.   [41:30] The importance of creative friction to reconnect across seamless technology divides.   [42:45] Taking a moment to rise above the sand, things have changed a lot, probably within yourself.   [43:40] Diverse teams earn the most as they take the longest time to deliberate.   [44:45] With diverse debate, deliberating longer, with ongoing feedback, we can create better AI systems.   [45:53] Bias is part of human nature, so how we can reduce asymmetry of power?   [49:00] If we wake up to the power we have and give away, what we can do with that power.   [50:08] Juliette is excited to be alive right now when we are shaping the future such as digital infrastructure, digital literacy, and digital trust.   [50:40] Historically, curators of knowledge have been our sources of truth.   [53:05] We must be able to manage all this uncertainty on the individual level as a community.   [53:45] The Four Logics framework: government, corporate, engineering, and social justice logic.   [54:35] Increasing awareness of misalignment between employees’ morals and employer brands.   [55:47] Checking on personal values, culture, and vision that enable fulfillment.   [56:33] How reducing human biases with AI leads to other biases.   [57:27] Encourage employee experimentation with AI and launch internal challenges.     RESOURCES   Juliette Powell on LinkedIn Juliette Powell’s website Kliener Powell International’s website The AI Dilemma: 7 Principles for Responsible Technology" co-authored by Juliette Juliette’s first book. “33 Million People in the Room: How to Create, Influence, and Run a Successful Business with Social Networking” Juliette’s co-authored book “The AI Dilemma: 7 Principles for Responsible Technology.”       QUOTES (edited)   "I've always been of the perspective that I'm a whole person. There are many different parts to my whole person, but nonetheless, I try to think of myself holistically as I navigate the world."   "Creative friction can only come from deep diversity. The more diverse, the more they produce questions, the longer it takes to deliberate, but the better the outcomes."   "We need to take responsibility and intentionally co-create with AI to ensure diverse perspectives are debated, increasing initial friction to reduce asymmetries and improve capabilities and relevance."   "Digital trust is kind of key. If we want data, personal data, to work for everyone on the planet, and not just the usual suspects, we need to address digital trust and infrastructure."   "If you feel that your personal morals are being confronted by what you're being asked to do at work, now is the time to recognize that disalignment and seek a place where you can be fulfilled and work on meaningful things."   "I'm excited about shaping AI's future because we are the generations that get to shape it. The decisions we make now will determine where digital trust will be in the next hundred years."   “There is expertise in the everyday person. We don't necessarily reward financially or recognize that, but that tacit knowledge is invaluable.”   “If we take longer to deliberate around our AI systems in their specific use cases and context, bring in the various communities that will be affected before we start building them, and deploy them constantly incorporating that feedback, we'd have much better systems that would work for far more people.”   “If we all woke up a little bit more to the kind of power that we give away, then we could also realize the kind of power that we actually have if we decide to do something about it.”   “We have to be able to manage all this uncertainty on the individual level as a community.”   "If you feel that your personal morals are being confronted by what you're being asked to do at work, now is the time to recognize that disalignment and seek a place where you can be fulfilled and work on meaningful things."   "I'm excited about shaping AI's future because we are the generations that get to shape it. The decisions we make now will determine where digital trust will be in the next hundred years."   “There is expertise in the everyday person. We don't necessarily reward financially or recognize that, but that tacit knowledge is invaluable.”    
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May 10, 2024 • 43min

111: David Abrams — Office Building Owners and Occupiers Co-creating New Experiences

David Abrams is the co-founder and CEO of HILO, a platform that is digitizing customer experience to create connected communities of people in buildings. David is also host of the TEN, the Tenant Experience Network podcast. David brings his entrepreneurial and marketing background and context to explore commercial real estate landlords’, owners’, and occupiers’ evolving circumstances. He explains why they need to be collaborating to create hospitality-driven, new tech-enhanced environments and programmed experiences for tenants—for each individually and together as a community.     TAKEAWAYS   [02:29] David takes a while to sort out what he wants to study at college ending up focusing on marketing and accounting.   [03:01] David enjoys the ability accounting gives him to explore how businesses operate.   [03:49] As a first entrepreneurial opportunity, David gets involved in repositioning a struggling agency.   [04:58] Early agency clients span commercial real estate and nonprofit, the latter which David finds especially satisfying.    [05:45] Raw Society is launched to focus on critical strategic work before the creative process begins.   [07:15] The ESG movement makes building operators start to think about environmental impact.    [07:52] What is the effect of the densification of people living and working in central business districts?   [09:13] New thinking is first driven by occupants, relating to basic ESG initiatives like recycling.   [10:14] Operators go paperless, initiating digital communications their tenants’ employees.    [11:32] David loves the opportunity to start creating environments that people enjoyed being in.   [12:16] The smartest operators recognized they could develop better relationships and community by connecting their tenants.    [12:55] The ultimate goal is to improve tenant retention through better customer service and experiences.   [14:09] Every building has constant turnover—both tenants and tenants’ employees.   [14:51] David launches his new company in 2019, gets financing and is in full growth mode when the pandemic hits.   [15:37] As an entrepreneur, David recognizes his two choices - give up or dig in.    [17:38] With little clarity about the future, they tried to be pragmatic about future technology needs.   [21:30] New realizations emerge after a difficult period that extended operators’ boundaries.   [23:09] Operators realize their responsibility to be involved in spaces beyond their buildings.   [24:24] Extra costs can be covered by charging premium rent or sharing new community spaces.    [26:20] Connectivity is a huge driver of experience when it is pervasive and consistent.   [27:18] Investments go into programming, content, services and staff to offer white glove experiences.   [28:51] Office and multifamily categories are all hiring people from the hospitality industry.   [29:37] Programming, services, and staffing are becoming integral and significant to buildings’ offerings.   [31:00] The key factor is not the size of the building, but the commitment of its ownership.   [31:49] Across building classes, technology can be an equalizer to provide higher levels of service.   [34:05] Technology delivers better experiences and reduces friction when people choose to enter the built world.   [35:27] How can we put the power of personalization into the hands of the individual?   [36:29] David imagines we are between first and second base in the evolution of office buildings.   [37:15] People need to congregate for the right reasons in the right environments to do the right kind of work.   [39:49] IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: Occupiers and landlords need to think beyond the work that needs to get done in an office and co-create experiences that support good work. Consider all the various touchpoints for each person across technology, programming, content, services and staffing.       RESOURCES   David Abrams on LinkedIn David’s company HILO’s website HILO on Instagram TEN – The Tenant Experience Network     QUOTES   “Buildings are not silos. They're part of a neighborhood, they're part of a city and they create community.”   “It's a conversation around where should I work on any given day where can great work happen?”   “How can we put the power of personalization into the hands of the individual. How can they use technology to better connect and engage with all the various spaces and places in their lives and have it not be top down driven.”   “People need to come together for the right reasons in the right environments with the right people to do the right kind of work.”   “The occupier and the landlord need to be open minded. They need to think beyond just the work that needs to get done and start to think about creating an experience that will support great work.”
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Apr 26, 2024 • 53min

110: Dr. Zofia Bajorek — Are Your Employees Doing Good Work?

Dr Zofia Bajorek is a Senior Research Fellow at the Institute of Employment Studies (UK). She was HR Magazine’s Most Influential Thinker in 2022 and 2023. Zofia’s recent work has focused on the quality of work to improve workforce health and wellbeing. She describes why giving employees good quality work improves results, why good work matters, and what it comprises. Zofia explains how good management contributes significantly to employee retention and well-being.     KEY TAKEAWAYS   [02:33] Zofia studied psychology to understand how people think, as well as behavior change, why and how we do things.   [04:17] Zofia’s Master’s focuses on the Future of Work and occupational stress/health at work.   [05:03] Zofia is curious about temporary work arrangements after her own—voluntary—experience.   [06:18] Temporary workers’ different agency and autonomy affects their experiences and health.   [08:01] Zofia’s PhD analyzes temporary staff management and patient care in NHS emergency departments.   [08:47] Possible safety/quality effects when emergency dept. employees get temporary assignments.   [09:42] NHS ‘bank’ and agency staff differences highlight many important talent management nuances.   [11:56] A systems approach to analyzing the UK’s ‘Speedy Summary Justice” – the promise.   [12:45] The effect of disconnects in a system that is overworked, underpaid, and understaffed.   [13:50] The practical reality of human messiness and how organizations and people work.   [15:02] Evidence shows workers’ health and wellbeing affects their productivity and retention.   [16:00] Q: What interventions make the biggest difference to employees’ health and well-being?   [16:50] A: Good management and good employment relationships are the most impactful.   [18:05] In 2006, two researchers discover “Work IS good for your health IF it’s good quality work.”   [18:26] People don’t really know what good quality work is.   [19:27] Good work includes: varied tasks that match interests and skills, co-collaboration, having a voice, autonomy and a fair work environment, with growth opportunities and strong work relationships.   [22:50] “Secure work” depends on the contractual arrangement—imposed or two-way.   [24:24] To achieve a healthy workplace with engaged employees, good quality work is essential.   [25:42] An important factor is someone’s choice about the work they have and can do.   [26:27] Zero-hour contracts are detrimental when managed badly with no communication or flexibility.   [27:28] Freelancers can have good choices: clients, autonomy, relationships, and interesting work.   [28:48] Empathizing is important to discover what encourages people to work, their values, what they bring to the workplace.   [30:26] Companies with embedded focus on wellbeing and good work pre-pandemic were able to transition well through and beyond the crisis.   [31:36] Good management practices including consistent communication, listening, and workplace policies.   [32:15] Zofia shares some examples of data points companies can colligate to increase understanding of their employees’ well-being.   [37:32] The challenges facing organizations are numerous, but a lot of the change can be addressed with good management practices.   [43:55] Young and old want the same thing from the workplace, but demographic pressures are changing the face of retirement.   [47:46] IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: Good work requires good managers. Ensure those promoted to managerial positions have people management skills and technical excellence. They need training, coaching support, and feedback to help them continue to improve.     RESOURCES   Dr. Zofia Bajorek on Linkedin  Follow Dr. Bajorek on X @DrZofia Website for employment-studies.co.uk The Institute for Employment Studies Interesting articles by Dr. Bajorek: ‘People leave managers, not companies’ - but is the manager really at fault? Are we ‘pulling more sickies’ or do organisations need to focus more on ‘good work’? Health and wellbeing at work: where we are and where we want to be It’s time to stop squeezing the ‘squeezed middle’, for everyone’s benefit Will management ‘productivity paranoia’ be the undoing of hybrid work? The line management conundrum – let’s hug and not squeeze our line managers     QUOTES (edited)   “If we don't look after people's health and well-being in the workplace it can have an impact on both retention and productivity levels.”   “Work is good for your health, but there is a strong caveat that it has to be good quality work. And that is where we are still struggling because people don't know what good quality work is.”   “Every human has fluctuating mental health. But what's important for the workplace is that work doesn't make it worse.”   “If you want good work and good health, you have to have good management.”
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Apr 19, 2024 • 55min

109: Dr. Gleb Tsipursky — Making Good Decisions At and About Work

Dr. Gleb Tsipursky is the CEO of Disaster Avoidance Experts, a consulting, coaching, and training firm. Gleb is a behavioral scientist and best-selling author of seven books, including “Never Go With Your Gut” and “Leading Hybrid and Remote Teams”. He shares his interest in human behaviors focused on decision-making and cognitive biases. Gleb explains his passion to help people make good decisions, discussing the role of emotions, and why to try to prove yourself wrong. He emphasizes how to optimize work-related decisions to improve working environments, experiences, policies, and outcomes.       TAKEAWAYS   [02:59] Interested in human behaviors, Gleb studies history--people in their historical contexts.   [03:53] Gleb narrows his research to behavioral science decision-making in historical and contemporary contexts.   [04:53] Gleb’s interest focuses on motivations and historical archives reveal what people were saying behind the scenes.   [05:39] We’re not very good at making decisions. We often follow our intuition or go with our gut.   [06:32] How a client’s early experiences affect how he handles conflict as a business leader.   [07:41] How do individuals and groups make decisions? What motivations cause what effects?   [08:12] How to have healthy conflicts with people.   [09:32] How do you make good decisions, proofing yourself against future disruptions?   [10:50] Decision hygiene—identify biases including not what you don’t do, that's a decision too!   [13:55] How you can misperceive yourself, your skills.   [15:04] Blind spots and how humans are full of contradictions.   [16:42] Gleb’s early books about different aspects of decision making.   [17:29] Before making a decision ask: Q1 - What information haven't I fully understood yet?   [19:28] Q2: What judgment errors haven't I fully considered?   [20:30] The need to be introspective about our emotions so they don't dictate our decisions.   [21:50] Gleb starts his own company, Disaster Avoidance Experts, in 2018.   [22:30] Gleb’s targets people whose possible bad decisions could have disastrous consequences.    [23:35] Paying attention to leading indicators to make informed decisions early in the pandemic.   [24:49] The challenges belief bias and confirmation bias can cause.   [26:30] What comparable data is relevant to ensure you are making good decisions?   [29:40] Looking at the data and challenging the motivation to be back in the office—for what?   [31:10] Managers weren't comfortable that they could control their teams working remotely.   [31:56] Combining training and techniques to not manage by walking around the office.   [33:04] Switching to weekly performance evaluations with three to five goals per week.   [35:27] Coaching style leadership was gaining ground long before the pandemic.   [38:32] College educated males choose to work fewer hours, valuing well-being and leisure more than before the pandemic.   [40:02] Research and resignations show willingness to take a 10% pay cut to keep flexibility.   [40:38] The impact of not being empathetic about your employees.   [42:37] What is best for knowledge workers? Not sitting in factory style offices.   [43:22] For knowledge work: creativity and collaboration of the human mind determine any company’s value add.   [44:33] The four principles of knowledge work to set up workplaces of the future.   [45:44] To establish trust, new systems and processes are needed including regular performance evaluations.   [47:20] Don't let one bad apple spoil it for others.   [49:35] Finding truth through content curation versus creation in an AI-powered world.   [51:40] IMMEDIATE ACTION TIP: To adapt to modern work, survey employees about they feel about hybrid work, best practices, problems, and opportunities for improvement. Focus conversations on trust, autonomy, support, and collaboration.     RESOURCES   Dr Gleb Tsipursky on LinkedIn Gleb Tsipursky on X Dr Gleb Tsipursky on Instagram Facebook at DrGlebTsipursky Dr. Gleb Tsipursky speaker video Dr. Gleb Tsipursky’s books include: The Truth-Seeker’s Handbook: A Science-Based Guide.    Never Go With Your Gut: How Pioneering Leaders Make the Best Decisions and Avoid Business Disasters  Returning to the Office and Leading Hybrid and Remote Teams: A Manual on Benchmarking to Best Practices for Competitive Advantage   QUOTES   “People often don't know what their own motivations are. They don't know how they interact, and they don't understand why they make the decisions they do. We're not very good at making decisions. We often just follow our intuition; we go with our gut.”   “There was research showing that in order to have healthy conflicts with people, you should follow a 5:1 ratio. For each one conflictual thing you do at least five equivalently positive things.”   “Taking all the social intelligence, emotional intelligence, and cognitive biases. If you can identify those in yourself right now, you can really set up set yourself up for a lot of success down the line.”   “We are human beings, we are full of contradictions.”   “Seeing the truth is very important to make a good decision, but that's not the same thing as making a good decision.”   “If you actually want to make a good decision what you want to do is try to prove yourself wrong. Try to prove that your decision is incorrect. Try to disconfirm your decision.”   “One issue is the empathy gap. We might underestimate the emotions that other people are experiencing. One of the biggest challenges in business decision making is failure to think sufficiently about emotions, our own emotions and other people's emotions. We don't realize how important emotions are.”    “Not being empathetic and understanding emotions matters. The emotions of your employees matter. How they feel matters. And they're actually taking steps based on their feelings around retention, engagement, productivity, morale.”   “Knowledge workers function best as a combination of providing them with trust, trusting them to work in the way that they know how; providing with autonomy, having control over their time and location of work; providing them with necessary and appropriate support, giving them knowledge, information, tools: and facilitating their collaboration with others.”

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