

The Human Side of Money
Brendan Frazier
Are you ready to delve into the emotional side of money, enhance your practice, and forge deeper connections with your clients? The Human Side of Money Podcast offers actionable ideas and strategies to empower financial advisors with the skills needed to excel in understanding the behavioral aspects of finance. Join Chief Behavioral Officer Brendan Frazier as he shares invaluable insights, tips and strategies. Subscribe now to elevate your practice and client interactions!
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Aug 2, 2023 • 1h 42min
90: Building A Service Model To Help Clients Align Money & Purpose with Justin Castelli
After 18+ years in the industry, Justin Castelli decided to shift his business model away from traditional financial planning.
Here’s his quote to explain why:
“My clients were planning for the life they were told to live. Not the life they wanted to live.”
Too often, our client’s life and money decisions are influenced by what society tells them, what their family did, the pursuit of achievement, and so on…
But what if you could guide clients toward crafting a life they actually want to live?
That’s exactly why Justin Castelli decided to evolve his business model. The traditional financial planning model didn’t suffice. He shares with us the personal journey that led to this decision and how he plans to do it with new and existing clients.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Questions that uncover passion and purpose
How this approach forever changed a client’s life
Why most people don’t live the life they want to live
Two exercises he suggests for clients to uncover their authentic life
How he harnesses regret to help clients get clarity on what’s important
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Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

Jul 19, 2023 • 1h 50min
89: How Financial Empathy And Data Visualization Influence Client Behavior with Dr. Michael Thomas
“Behavioral Coaching” continues to emerge as the primary source of value in a relationship between an advisor and client.
Yet, most advisors have never learned the skill set required to actually influence and change a client’s behavior for the better. It starts by first understanding the forces that influence client behavior both positively and negatively. To learn what works and what doesn’t.
Fortunately, Dr. Michael G. Thomas has done extensive research on two forces that often go overlooked: Financial empathy and data visualization. He’ll explain just how much power these two forces carry and how he uses them to influence client behavior for the better.
We discuss:
The “Zoom Out/Zoom In” approach he uses to identify emotional barriers
Why confidence and clarity are crucial for changing client behavior
The big mistake advisors make that demotivates clients
What Robinhood teaches us about the power of data visualization
His approach to budgets that avoids anxiety and overwhelm
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Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

Jul 14, 2023 • 22min
88: The Power of Mirroring Clients’ Words
There’s one communication technique in the skill set of FBI hostage negotiators that stands above the rest.
One they describe as being the closest you’ll get to a jedi mind trick.
It’s called “mirroring”.
Here’s what it does in conversation: Facilitates bonding and trust, creates connection and empathy, buys you time to regroup your thoughts, and gets someone to open up (and keeps them talking). So, how can you use this in conversations with prospects and clients?
We discuss:
The biological and psychological reasons that mirroring is so powerful
Why servers who mirrored customer’s orders got higher tips
Two ways to start mirroring words with prospects and clients
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Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

Jul 5, 2023 • 1h 49min
87: Incorporating The Human Element Throughout The Planning Process with Hannah Moore
The financial advice industry does an outstanding job of training and developing technical knowledge.
The industry is full of advisors and planners who can sit down at a computer and calculate the time value of money with the best of them. But, financial planning done right isn’t just about technical answers. It’s about how those answers intersect with the person’s life.
In this episode, Hannah gives us a look at how she incorporates the human element into her planning process so that the technical knowledge aligns with the client’s life.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
How (and why) she changed her approach to the prospect process
How to respond when a client says “Tell me what to do!”
The power of the values exercises she takes clients through
The “Budgeting Blocks” exercise to align values and spending
Why she believes the industry is training the human out of the professional
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Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

Jun 21, 2023 • 1h 13min
86: A Collection of Wisdom To Conduct The Ultimate Intro Meeting
The intro meeting is the lifeblood of an advisory business.
That 30-60 minute window with a complete stranger is either the most expensive or the most profitable activity you’ll ever engage in.
Yet, I kept hearing advisors complain about these meetings. They would say things like: “I never like the way I feel during those meetings” or “There has to be a better way!”
Since this show began, we’ve had some of the industry’s top experts join us to talk about meeting with prospects, intro meetings, communication strategies, etc.
So, I went back and listened to those conversations and compiled the best clips into this episode. It’s a collection of the best insights and wisdom over the last three years of this show to help you conduct the ultimate intro meeting.
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Resources:
Click here to check out “The Ultimate Intro Meeting.”
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

Jun 8, 2023 • 30min
85: How (And Why) To Turn Clients’ Vague Goals Into Vivid Visions
Morningstar research reveals a direct link between savings behavior and mental time horizon.
In fact, the research says mental time horizons are more influential than their age, income, and education. Thus, the more vivid and clear your future, the more likely you are to change your behavior.
So, when you’re working with clients and planning for their future selves, you have to take their future goals from the clouds to the street. From vague to vivid. Once you help your clients do that, you’ve created motivation, improved their behavior, and enhanced their lives for the better.
We discuss:
The research detailing the benefits of creating a clear and vivid image of the future
What a vague goal sounds like compared to a vivid vision
Ideas for how to turn vague goals into vivid visions
The story of an advisor who made a lasting impact on his clients’ lives
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Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

May 24, 2023 • 1h 29min
84: A Three-Step Guide To Transform Your Relationship With Money with Bari Tessler
When financial advisors meet with clients, it’s easy to focus solely on the numbers and neglect the feelings they elicit.
It’s easy to focus on dollars at the expense of emotions. But every single client you work with has a relationship with money that extends beyond data, numbers, and dollar signs.
But, it becomes evident when you’re dealing with the retiree who simply won’t spend their money despite having more than they could ever need.
They need help blending the financial and emotional components of money. Fortunately, Bari Tessler is a highly-regarded financial therapist. And, she’s developed a three-step framework to help clients transform their relationship with money.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
How to better approach your finances using a “Money Date”
What she learned from hyperventilating at the car dealership
3 Levels of “Money Maps” that she uses instead of budgeting
The power of renaming cash flow categories in alignment with values
How understanding your body improves your relationship with money
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Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

May 17, 2023 • 43min
83: 3 Proven Techniques To Enhance Your Questions And Elevate Your Conversations
Asking great questions is a superpower for financial advisors.
When done right, asking great questions establishes likeability, accelerates trust, and uncovers personal, sensitive information.
Three things that are absolutely critical to perform your job at the highest level. But, it’s not just about asking more questions. It’s about knowing how to ask great questions that get great answers.
It’s about knowing the techniques that enhance your questions and elevate your conversations with both clients and prospects.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
The research that confirms the power of questions
The “3E” questions for creating conversational flow
Using follow-up questions to open the floodgates of the conversation
How to structure your questions to receive better responses
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Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

May 10, 2023 • 1h 20min
82: A Framework To Facilitate Conversation And Connection Throughout The Planning Process with Josh Gilliam (Part II)
In 2005, Josh Gilliam set out to research, read, and learn everything he could about behavioral finance, psychology, and communication.
He was seeking to master the human side of advice.
18 years later, he admits it’s still a work in progress. But, he took what he learned and created the [Fi] Life Framework. A framework he uses to facilitate better conversations and connections with clients and prospects.
We discuss:
The [Fi] Self Profile: A tool for learning more about a client’s financial beliefs and history
How helping a client learn about their past created a relationship-altering conversation
The [Fi] Life Big Decision App: A tool to guide clients toward making better decisions
Why the human side of advice will provide a natural boost to client testimonials
Why it’s important to have clients document their decision-making processes
To sign up for Brendan’s monthly newsletter focused on the human side of advice → Click Here
Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier

Apr 26, 2023 • 1h 32min
81: A Framework For Facilitating Conversation And Connection Throughout The Planning Process with Josh Gilliam (Part I)
In 2005, Josh Gilliam set out to research, read, and learn everything he could about behavioral finance, psychology, and communication.
He was seeking to master the human side of advice.
18 years later, he admits it’s still a work in progress. But, he took what he learned and created the [Fi] Life Framework. A framework he uses to facilitate better conversations and connections with clients and prospects.
We discuss:
The #1 risk in not adopting the human side
The tool he uses to help clients visualize goals, transitions, and milestones
Why Josh found himself unfulfilled at the moment most advisors dream about
Why he starts conversations around how someone feels rather than what they have
The story of how life planning cost him a $10 million client (and why it didn’t faze him)
To sign up for Brendan’s monthly newsletter focused on the human side of advice → Click Here
Resources:
The featured partner for this episode is Knudge, an automated system to help clients actually follow through on their tasks and reach their financial goals
Connect with Brendan Frazier:
RFG Advisory
LinkedIn: Brendan Frazier
X:@jbrendanfrazier


