

The Marketing Architects
Marketing Architects
Introducing a research-first podcast that builds revenue, not condos.Answer questions on the biggest marketing trends and news with discussions based in marketing, psychology and economics research. Along the way, learn about marketing accountability, category leadership, brand-building and much more.Featuring a team of experienced marketers whose blueprints for success are marketing strategies actually proven to work.
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Aug 19, 2025 • 27min
The Forgotten Half of Growth: Physical Availability Explained
75% of shoppers say they go to Amazon to find new products, even if they saw the brand elsewhere. Yet many companies still resist being there, missing massive opportunities for growth.This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob dive into physical availability, the often-overlooked "place" in the marketing mix. They explore why D2C brands are rushing back to retail, share real campaign examples where distribution made the difference, and discuss what physical availability means in an AI-first world. Topics covered: [02:00] Why "place" is the forgotten P in the marketing mix[06:00] How D2C brands discovered the limits of digital-only strategies[10:00] Real campaign examples where physical availability made the difference[15:00] Brands doing physical availability right today[19:00] Expanding your thinking about "place" beyond shelf space[23:00] Brands we'd buy more if they were easier to find To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: 2025 WARC Article: https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/opinion/4ps---place-physical-availability-the-marketing-factor-youre-likely-overlooking/70102025 AdAge Article: https://adage.com/article/marketing-news-strategy/state-dtc-warby-parker-rare-beauty-draper-james/2603761/ Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Aug 14, 2025 • 9min
Nerd Alert: What Marketers Get Wrong About Their Own Brands
Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.In this episode, Elena and Rob reveal the harsh truth about marketers' ability to judge their own brand elements. They explore why we're terrible at predicting how consumers will respond to our logos, colors, sounds, and taglines.Topics covered: [01:00] "Assessing Branding Strength: Comparing Marketer Judgment and Consumer Data for Brand Identity Elements"[02:00] Only 2% of marketer predictions are accurate[04:00] Why we love our brands like our own dogs[05:00] When marketers actually get it right[06:00] Why teams beat individuals at brand judgment[07:00] Don't trust your gut alone To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: Graham, C., & Lowrey, T. M. (2023). Assessing branding strength: Comparing marketer judgement and consumer data for brand identity elements. International Journal of Research in Marketing, 40(4), 977–996. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijresmar.2023.06.006 Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Aug 12, 2025 • 27min
Where Did All the CMOs Go?
Explore why only 40% of Fortune 500 marketing leaders hold the CMO title, and delve into recent research revealing a rise in CMO tenure. The conversation highlights the evolving challenges CMOs face today, from balancing short-term results with long-term brand strategies to the unique hurdles for first-time CMOs. Discover how creativity and bold marketing campaigns are vital for brand fame amidst fierce competition. Plus, gain insights into how personal passions can shape effective branding in education and sports.

Aug 7, 2025 • 12min
Nerd Alert: Why Your Hyper-Targeted Ads Might Be a Waste
The discussion reveals that third-party audience targeting can fail to deliver better accuracy than random guesses, hitting target audiences less than 25% of the time. They emphasize the stark contrast between first-party and third-party data. Interest-based targeting shows promise over demographic methods. Technical and privacy challenges complicate hyper-targeted advertising, raising questions about its economic viability. Marketers are urged to rethink their strategies and experiment to improve effectiveness.

Aug 5, 2025 • 30min
The Brand Metrics That Matter with Kantar's Mary Kyriakidi
Mary Kyriakidi, a global thought leader at Kantar, dives deep into the metrics that truly matter for brand growth. She reveals that meaningful difference can drive growth more effectively than mere distinctiveness. Mary warns against the promotion trap that undermines pricing power, urging brands to prioritize meaningfulness. She shares insights from Kantar's Diary of a CMO report, emphasizing the need for CMOs to align marketing with business metrics to gain boardroom credibility. Discover how to treat brand equity as a vital financial asset!

Jul 31, 2025 • 8min
Nerd Alert: When Being Simple Hurts Your Brand
Unpacking the implications of brand simplicity, the hosts reveal how it can lead to heightened consumer expectations. When brands promise simplicity but fall short, the backlash can be severe, creating disappointment. They illustrate this with YouTube TV's confusing interface, which contradicts its simplicity promise. The conversation also delves into the delicate balance between being simple and being vague, shedding light on why straightforward brands may face harsher scrutiny in tough times.

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Jul 29, 2025 • 47min
How Brands REALLY Grow with Dale Harrison
Dale Harrison, a former experimental physicist, shares his insights as a marketing effectiveness expert. He explains how the NBD-Dirichlet model reveals that consumer behavior is driven more by brand recall than by clever marketing. Dale challenges the myth of brand loyalty, suggesting that it resembles polyamorous purchasing habits. He emphasizes the need for reach over targeting to grow market share and discusses the real implications of marketing statistics. Prepare to rethink your marketing strategies with deep research and a mathematical lens!

Jul 24, 2025 • 9min
Nerd Alert: Don't Age Out Your Audience
Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.In this episode, Elena and Rob challenge the assumption that older consumers stick with older brands. Real purchase data from over 88,000 grocery trips shows older shoppers buy a mix of brands based on size and relevance, not age or nostalgia.Topics covered: [01:00] "Examining Older Consumers' Loyalty towards Older Brands in Grocery Retailing"[02:00] What the data revealed about older shoppers[04:00] Do these findings apply beyond grocery categories?[05:00] Financial services and credit card research[06:00] Cars, durables, and 25 years of cross-category data[08:00] Your brand preferences are like your closet To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: Phua, P., Kennedy, R., Trinh, G., Page, B., & Sharp, B. (2020). Examining older consumers’ loyalty towards older brands in grocery retailing. Journal of Retailing and Consumer Services, 54, 101893. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jretconser.2019.101893:contentReference[oaicite:2]{index=2} Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Jul 22, 2025 • 42min
The Dangers of "Wrong-Termism" with Liam Moroney
Most B2B marketers in tech are marketers in name only. They're really just tool operators. That's according to Liam Moroney, founder of Storybook Marketing, who believes the industry has lost sight of fundamental marketing principles.This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by Liam to discuss the false dichotomies plaguing marketing effectiveness. From brand versus performance to long-term versus short-term thinking, these binaries are actively harming growth. Liam shares his journey from demand gen tool operator to brand advocate and how to make brand measurement more tangible for skeptical executives.Topics covered: [04:00] Crisis of confidence in the demand gen mindset[11:00] How the B2B tech industry avoids the word "brand" entirely[15:00] The problem with demand generation as a concept[19:00] Making brand marketing tangible through operational metrics[23:00] Share of search as an accessible brand measurement tool[29:00] Why B2B advertising looks so generic and how it's changing To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: 2020 Tom Roach Article: https://thetomroach.com/2020/11/15/the-wrong-and-the-short-of-it/ Liam Moroney’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liammoroney/ Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Jul 17, 2025 • 8min
Nerd Alert: Why Every Brand Needs a Sonic Logo
Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.In this episode, Elena and Rob reveal how sonic logos, those brief musical signatures lasting just five or six seconds, can boost brand perception and ad effectiveness as much as full-length background music. They explore optimal placement strategies that maximize emotional impact.Topics covered: [01:00] "Small Sounds, Big Impact: Sonic Logos and Their Effect on Consumer Attitudes, Emotions, Brand and Advertising Placement"[02:00] How sonic logos differ from jingles[03:00] Happy versus sad sonic logos in testing[04:00] Placement matters: beginning versus end positioning[05:00] Primacy and recency effects in audio branding[06:00] Why so few brands invest in sonic logos To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter. Resources: Scott, S. P., Sheinin, D., & Labrecque, L. I. (2022). Small sounds, big impact: Sonic logos and their effect on consumer attitudes, emotions, brands and advertising placement. Journal of Product & Brand Management. https://doi.org/10.1108/JPBM-06-2021-3507:contentReference[oaicite:0]{index=0} Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.