
What It's Like To Be...
Curious what it would be like to walk in someone else’s (work) shoes? Join New York Times bestselling author Dan Heath as he explores the world of work, one profession at a time, and interviews people who love what they do. What does a couples therapist think when a friend asks for relationship advice? What happens if a welder fails to wear safety glasses? What can get a stadium beer vendor fired? If you’ve ever met someone whose work you were curious about, and you had 100 nosy questions but were too polite to ask … well, this is the show for you.
Latest episodes

Jul 30, 2024 • 28min
An Ice Cream Truck Driver
Erin Bailey, a New Jersey ice cream truck driver, shares her delightful journey of turning old school buses into ice cream trucks. She discusses the challenges of running a mobile business while keeping freezers cold and balancing customer preferences. Erin reveals her best-selling treats, reflects on her longstanding connections with customers, and reveals the nostalgic impact of ice cream truck melodies on summer. Join her as she celebrates the joy and community spirit integral to her unique profession.

Jul 16, 2024 • 34min
An Ocean Lifeguard
Join Ed Vodrazka, an ocean lifeguard in California, as he shares stories about reading the ocean, performing CPR on a dolphin, and leading daring rescues. Learn about the signs of trouble in the water, staying vigilant in the tower, and the challenges faced by ocean lifeguards. Dive into the insightful world of lifeguarding with Ed!

Jul 2, 2024 • 28min
A Secret Service Agent
Retired Secret Service agent, Cindy Marble, shares insights on surveillance methods, protecting public figures, and learning to jump from moving cars. Discover the unique terminology used in the Secret Service and the mental focus required in high-pressure situations.

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Jun 18, 2024 • 29min
A Tennis Coach
Veteran tennis coach Vesa Ponkka shares insights on nurturing young players, coping with setbacks, and the importance of mental resilience in tennis. He discusses the shift from player to coach mindset, the challenges of managing pressure in sports, and the balance between developing strengths and improving weaknesses in coaching.

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Jun 4, 2024 • 33min
A PR Crisis Manager
Chris Thomas, a PR crisis manager, shares insights on managing high-pressure situations like data breaches and media frenzies. He discusses the intense process of gathering information, preparing statements, and conducting press conferences. The podcast also explores the role of crisis communicators in handling media scrutiny and highlights the importance of strategic communication in crisis management.

May 21, 2024 • 27min
A Creative Director
Creative director Jo Skillman from Texas discusses crafting bespoke images with AI, pitching ideas to risk-averse clients, and the struggles creative directors face. Learn about 'swoop and poop' and why creative directors grind their teeth at night.

May 7, 2024 • 30min
A Dog Trainer
Dog trainer Keely Korbel discusses reading canine body language, training owners, and the controversial use of e-collars. She shares insights on transforming aggression through training and the importance of understanding dogs' behavior in public settings.

Apr 23, 2024 • 31min
An Archaeologist
Join archaeologist Eric Cline as he uncovers ancient wine cellars, discusses the difference between a shard and a sherd, and ponders what future archaeologists will think of us. Delve into the excitement of finding ancient sites, the significance of pottery in dating excavations, and the possible impact of plastic on 21st-century civilizations.

Apr 9, 2024 • 29min
An FBI Special Agent
Retired FBI Special Agent Dan Brunner shares insights on building cases against MS-13 gang members, flipping suspects in interrogations, and the significance of the '1,000-piece jigsaw puzzle'. He discusses the process of gathering evidence, the art of investigative work, and the dynamics between the FBI and the Department of Justice in deciding to prosecute.

Mar 26, 2024 • 30min
A Cattle Rancher
Chachi Hawkins, a cattle rancher in southwest Texas, discusses the challenges of raising cattle in the high desert, hauling calves to auction, and protecting the herd from mountain lions. She shares her transition from a corporate career to cattle ranching, the seasonal rhythms of ranching operations, and the emotional attachment to calves. The podcast explores the world of family-operated cattle ranching and sheds light on the multi-faceted role of a cattle rancher, including managing environmental challenges and the deep familial legacy of ranching.
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