
The Westminster Tradition
Unpacking lessons for the public service, starting with the Robodebt Royal Commission. In 2019, after three years, Robodebt was found to be unlawful. The Royal Commission process found it was also immoral and wildly inaccurate. Ultimately the Australian Government was forced to pay $1.8bn back to more than 470,000 Australians. In this podcast we dive deep into public policy failures like Robodebt and the British Post Office scandal - how they start, why they're hard to stop, and the public service lessons we shouldn't forget.
Latest episodes

Dec 2, 2024 • 33min
What the NACC is going on? Updates on Robodebt and the National Anti-Corruption Commission
Dive into the tangled web of the National Anti-Corruption Commission and the controversial RoboDebt saga. Discover the chaos surrounding halted investigations and the quest for transparency amid conflicts of interest. The conversation dissects the fine line between maladministration and corruption while highlighting unequal accountability in public service. Recent ethical shifts and cultural narratives shape the landscape, raising questions about leadership and the future of public trust in the wake of significant scandals.

Nov 18, 2024 • 41min
Mr Bates v Post Office part 8 - ‘The One Where The Report is a Slide Deck’
The discussion dives into the challenging investigation of the Horizon system, emphasizing the importance of choosing the right investigators who truly understand retail dynamics. Concerns about bias in consulting reports are raised, highlighting pitfalls of relying on larger firms. The speakers debate the effectiveness of slide decks versus traditional reports, stressing clear communication. They also ponder the complexities of forming actionable recommendations from inquiries, underlining the need for inclusivity and clarity to better engage stakeholders.

Nov 4, 2024 • 35min
Mr Bates v Post Office part 7 - ‘The One Where The Inquiries Go Nowhere’
The podcast dives into the tangled investigations surrounding the Post Office's Horizon system. Multiple inquiries failed to uncover the truth, showcasing poor review processes and leadership oversight. Key figures discuss the importance of procedural fairness and the challenges faced in initiating meaningful investigations without a government link. The complexities of drafting effective inquiry terms are examined, shedding light on how biases can hinder accountability. Finally, the mental health impacts of past decisions are explored, emphasizing the need for clarity in evaluations.

Oct 14, 2024 • 31min
TWT Ask Us Anything! Part 2 - culture and integrity agencies
Diversity and inclusion in the public sector face systemic barriers, exposing a gap between commitment and practice. People management surveys may overlook deeper issues, complicating the pursuit of employee wellbeing. An integrity-driven culture is essential, with open communication needed for employee safety. Recruitment policies are scrutinized for their impact on power dynamics and work environments. The podcast emphasizes storytelling as a method for learning from past mistakes and promoting ethical decision-making.

Sep 30, 2024 • 30min
TWT Ask Us Anything! Part 1 - trust in government, and how we organise ourselves
Thanks for the questions folks!Now for some appropriately bureaucratic disclaimers....While we have tried to be as thorough in our research as busy full time jobs and lives allow, we definitely don’t guarantee that we’ve got all the details right.If you want rigorous reporting on Robodebt, we recommend the work of Rick Morton at the Saturday Paper, Chris Knaus and Luke Henriques-Gomes at the Guardian, Ben Eltham at Crikey, Julian Bajkowski at The Mandarin, and of course, the Robodebt Royal Commission itself.Please feel free to email us corrections, episode suggestions, or anything else, at thewestminstertraditionpod@gmail.com.Thanks to PanPot audio for our intro and outro music. 'Til next time!

Sep 15, 2024 • 47min
Finally, the APSC has published its findings about Robodebt: what did they find, and where to from here?
The Australian Public Service Commission's findings on the Robodebt scandal take center stage, revealing misconduct among public servants. Discussions explore the cultural pressures that hinder accountability and the need for ethical leadership. The conversation reflects on individual accountability while emphasizing the vital importance of transparency within organizations. Listeners are urged to consider the tragic implications for victims, advocating for genuine governmental accountability and change. The critics weigh in on the disconnect between bureaucratic interests and real human suffering.

Aug 12, 2024 • 42min
Mr Bates v Post Office part 6 - information dead ends and accountability sinks
Dan Davies, an author focused on accountability in the Post Office scandal, joins experts Alisdair Cameron, Graham Brander, and Anne Chambers to dissect widespread systemic failures. They discuss the pernicious culture that blamed postmasters and the flawed prosecution processes. The conversation highlights how rigid oversight mechanisms stifled individual intervention, leading to unjust prosecutions. Insights into the impact of technology and the evolution of management relationships provide a comprehensive view of accountability challenges and the need for reform.

Jul 29, 2024 • 43min
Mr Bates v Post Office part 5 - prosecuting the innocent
Rob Wilson, former head of the Royal Mail Group Criminal Law Team, and Helen Rose, a former auditor for the Post Office, delve into the catastrophic Post Office scandal. They unearth disturbing systemic flaws that led to wrongful prosecutions of sub-postmasters based on a faulty computer system. The conversation highlights the oppressive power dynamics, unfair contract terms, and the struggle for justice in an imbalanced legal framework. They also draw alarming parallels with exploitative practices in other industries, showcasing the urgent need for reform.

Jul 8, 2024 • 1h 3min
The Hon John Hill, on being a Minister
Former state Minister for Health and the Arts, The Hon John Hill, discusses the trust between ministers and public servants, the approval process of the RoboDebt policy, dynamics between ministers and department heads, the influence of personal narratives in politics, navigating systemic risks in healthcare, effective governance through stakeholder relationships, and building relationships and maintaining respect in office.

Jun 24, 2024 • 1h 1min
Andrew Podger AO: Is Thodey public sector reform on Steroids or Valium?
Former Commonwealth Secretary Andrew Podger talks about integrating policy and administration in the public sector, governance in ICT projects, the role of APS Commissioner, challenges in implementing reforms, and potential future conversations on public sector improvement.
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