Join chocolate expert Spencer Hyman and Professor Sarah Berry as they unwrap the secrets of cacao! Discover how to discern high-quality chocolate from low-grade options. Spencer outlines the journey from bean to bar, while Sarah reveals fascinating health benefits linked to flavanols and theobromine. They also confront the chocolate industry's health claims, dive into the differences between craft and mass-produced chocolates, and explore how mindful consumption can enhance enjoyment and health. Satisfy your cravings wisely!

This plant has been used by human beings for thousands of years with samples found in 5000-year-old pottery discovered in the upper Amazon. The Mayans considered it a gift from the gods and used it in their sacred ceremonies, where it was believed to have mystical healing powers. For the Aztecs, it was worth more than gold and given to their victorious warriors. We are talking, of course, about chocolate. Even though our relationship with chocolate spans thousands of years we still can’t agree about it. It seems obvious that something so delicious must be bad for us. Can there be any truth to the claims that chocolate can improve our mood, our health and even our libido? Jonathan speaks to Professor Tim Spector, one of the world's top 100 most cited scientists and author of the diet myth, and Spencer Hyman, one of the world’s leading chocolate experts and founder of the craft chocolate business Cocoa Runners. Download our FREE guide — Top 10 Tips to Live Healthier: https://zoe.com/freeguideTimecodes:00:00 - Intro00:10 - Jonathan’s introduction01:19 - Lighting round questions, with true/false answers05:49 - Why certain chocolates might be good06:34 - What is fermentation? 09:54 - Which kinds of chocolates are good or bad for you?12:14 - How to figure out the differences in chocolates 14:12 - Why is are chocolates classified the way they are16:20 - Considerations about dark chocolate20:38 - Personalized responses to chocolate23:39 - On chocolate addiction24:55 - How to taste chocolate28:10 - Is smell an indicator as to what happens in our microbiomes?31:52 - 3 things you should know when buying chocolate33:17 - Description of chocolate in nature37:15 - Sugar in chocolate40:29 - Is fruit and nut milk chocolate healthier than dark chocolate?41:27 - How much chocolate do you need for it to be beneficial?42:59 - Should I watch out for lecithins in chocolate?44:52 - Is eating half a bar of chocolate before bed a bad idea?46:24 - Goodbyes & OutroFollow ZOE on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zoe/This podcast was produced by Fascinate Productions.

Spencer Hyman is the founder and chair of chocolate at Cocoa Runners, a sustainable artisan chocolate distributor. He discusses the difference between flavor and taste, and how AI could reshape our understanding of chocolate. Spencer emphasizes the environmental challenges of chocolate production and the importance of sustainability. He advocates for communal eating experiences and highlights the potential for chocolate to foster meaningful connections. The conversation also touches on future food technologies and personalized nutrition.