Kevin Rogers, musician and co-host of the Knot Zen Podcast, joins the host to talk about Zen, its origins in China and its impact in Japan. They discuss the idea of lingering moments, direct experience of reality, metaphysical implications of Zen realization, and the influence of Daoism. The conversation also includes the host's personal misgivings with Zen and the potential for future episodes on music

Kevin Rogers, former stand-up comedian turned successful copywriter, discusses parallels between comedy and copywriting, sharing insights from his journey performing alongside Chris Rock and Billy Gardell. From hustling and networking lessons to finding comedy in copywriting, explore his evolution from freelancer to business owner and the importance of community management in online forums.

Kevin Rogers, an A-List copywriter and successful stand-up comedian, shares a 10-step process for quickly drafting a sales page. He combines his experiences from both fields to provide valuable insights. The episode covers topics such as starting the first draft, benefits of printed books in copywriting, breaking down big problems, and the six amplifiers for a successful pitch.