In this conversation, Steve Pyfrom, Head of Strategy and Sales at Nine Digital and founder of SPP Consulting, shares his journey from pastoral ministry to B2B sales. He emphasizes the importance of building genuine, long-term relationships in sales instead of chasing quick wins. Steve argues that the pressure for immediate results undermines lasting success, urging sales professionals to shift their focus to sustainable customer value. He also highlights the critical skills of active listening and independent thinking to enhance client connections and drive revenue.
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From Pastor to Sales Leader
Steve Pyfrom transitioned from being a pastoral minister to a successful B2B sales professional.
He learned selling skills through a local wholesale coffee program before joining Verizon and advancing in sales strategy roles.
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Ministry Skills Empower Sales
Key transferable skills from ministry to sales include communication, problem-solving, and vision casting.
Authentic human connection and empathy are critical to winning in sales, just as in ministry.
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Practice Patience in Sales Relationships
Sales professionals must adopt a slow, steady approach to build authentic relationships over time.
Persist with multi-touch strategies, knowing patience beats rushing for quick wins and churn.
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To Sell Is Human
Daniel Pink
You know the drill. The quota clock is ticking, the pressure is mounting, and there's that relentless urge for a quick win. Every sales professional has felt that impulse to rush the process, to push for the immediate "yes," because, well, the numbers demand it.
But here's the tough question you need to ask yourself: What if that very pressure is actively sabotaging your long-term success? What if chasing the fast buck is actually costing you the lucrative, lasting relationships that define an elite sales career and build a lasting book of business?
As Sales Gravy Podcast guest Steve Pyfrom puts it: “Building relationships takes time and sales, teams need desperately to get off of this short-term win dynamic. The goal is long-term revenue for your company, lifetime value for the end user.”
Focusing solely on the quick sale burns through pipeline leads faster than you can replace them, leaving you on a perpetual hamster wheel of prospecting just to stay afloat. It's time to talk about the long game, because building real relationships is where sustainable revenue lives.
Why Churn Is Killing Your Commissions
Let's talk numbers. According to SimplicityDX, customer acquisition costs have increased by 222% over the last eight years, while customer lifetime value has remained flat. It's getting harder and more expensive to find new customers, making the ones you have incredibly valuable.
Yet most salespeople treat customers like one-time transactions. They close the deal, celebrate briefly, then immediately move on to the next prospect. This approach is financial suicide.
Customers who feel rushed through the buying process rarely become loyal advocates. When a customer feels pressured into a decision or perceives the sale as purely transactional, their loyalty is paper-thin. They're constantly looking for better deals, questioning their purchase decision, and jumping ship when problems arise.
When a customer churns, you lose all potential referrals, upsells, and cross-sells they could have generated. You're back to square one, hunting for new prospects to replace the revenue you just lost, all while acquisition costs keep climbing.
The Trust Equation That Changes Everything
Most salespeople think selling is about convincing, but selling is about connecting.
When you rush a prospect, you're telling them their decision-making process doesn't matter. You're saying your timeline is more important than their comfort level.
Real relationships are built on trust, and trust takes time. Think about your personal life. Your closest friends aren't the people who tried to fast-track the process. They're the ones who showed up consistently, listened without an agenda, and proved their reliability over time.
The same principle applies in sales. The prospects who become your biggest advocates aren't the ones you pressured into a quick yes. They're the ones who felt heard, understood, and genuinely cared for throughout the entire process.
The Compound Effect of Relationship Selling
Consider Mary, a software sales rep who was in competition with 2 other software vendors for a deal with a manufacturing company. Mary's competitors immediately launched into aggressive pitches and discount offers to David, the CFO, hoping to close the deal quickly.
Mary took a different approach. Instead of pitching, she spent two months understanding David's cash flow challenges and upcoming board presentation needs. She shared relevant case studies, introduced him to a supply chain consultant, and helped him think through his decision criteria. She never once mentioned her software.
When David's team raised concerns about implementation timelines during their evaluation, Mary's competitors pushed back, insisting their solution was simple to deploy. Mary listened, then connected David with a similar CFO who had successfully managed a comparable rollout. That conversation addressed David's real concerns and kept Mary's soluti...