Vox's Rebecca Jennings talks with Taylor Lorenz, tech culture reporter for the New York Times, about the creator economy: what it is, who's in it, and why more people are paying attention to it. They also talk about the hidden toll of running your own individual media company, the elusive term "cheugy," and the perils of reporting on internet culture and becoming (as Taylor occasionally has) part of the story.

Host: Rebecca Jennings (@rebexxxxa), senior correspondent, Vox

Guest: Taylor Lorenz (@TaylorLorenz), technology reporter, New York Times

References: 

• "For Creators, Everything Is for Sale" by Taylor Lorenz (New York Times; Mar. 11)
• "The sexfluencers" by Rebecca Jennings (Vox; Oct. 28)
• "my boss is an app and I owe it money" by @prophethusband (Mar. 23, 2018)
• "The D'Amelio kids are not all right" by Rebecca Jennings (Vox; Sept. 14)
• Chasing Cameron dir. Brandon Ayres (Netflix; 2016)
• "NFTs Weren't Supposed to End Like This" by Anil Dash (The Atlantic; Apr. 2)
• "What Is 'Cheugy'? You Know It When You See It" by Taylor Lorenz (New York Times; May 3)
• "What is cheugy? Here are 10 ways to know if you fit the description" by Alexander Kacala and Miah Hardy (The Today Show; May 6)

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This episode was made by: 

• Producer: Erikk Geannikis
• Editor: Amy Drozdowska
• Engineer: Paul Robert Mounsey
• Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall
• Vox Audio Fellow: Victoria Dominguez

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