Is technology a god? Can artificial intelligence become sentient? What do the masses worship in modern culture? Jonathan Pageau is an orthodox Christian icon carver and public speaker who seeks to understand the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world. Including but not limited to how these patterns emerge and come together, manifesting in religion, art and in popular culture. Coming from vastly different backgrounds, Jonathan and I differ in some of the ways we see the world, making this conversation richly enjoyable.