In a captivating conversation, Jonathan Pageau, a French-Canadian liturgical artist and renowned icon carver, explores the depth of storytelling and its impact on human perception. He discusses his new book, 'Jack and the Fallen Giants,' and the modern relevance of fairy tales. The duo delves into the dual nature of sacrifice, the philosophy of higher ideals through personal transformation, and the significance of biblical narratives in shaping morality. Pageau connects these themes to contemporary life, emphasizing resilience, purpose, and the interconnectedness of narratives.

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Jonathan Pageau discuss the depth of narrative found in the classic fairy tales, the loss of positively impactful narratives in the wake of woke culture, the potential utility of Ai as a means to prod new insights from historic and biblical texts, the cynicism of postmodernism, and the overall necessity to preserve foundational storytelling. Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion. - Sponsors - Moink: Get FREE bacon in your first Moink order today!http://www.MoinkBox.com/JBP Elysium: Get $50 off an Index test! Use code 'JBP50' at https://www.elysiumhealth.com/Index - Links - For Jonathan Pageau: Help Kickstart The Symbolic World Press:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/symbolicworldpress/snow-white-and-the-widow-queen The Symbolic World (Website)https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/ Jonathan Pageau on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@JonathanPageau Jonathan Pageau on Twitter https://twitter.com/PageauJonathan?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor 

This was the first time that Jonathan Pagaeu, John Vervaeke, and Jordan Peterson all sat down together in person. Recorded in Dr. Peterson’s home, and prominently featuring many of Kwakwakaʼwakw carver Charles Joseph’s incredible statues and carvings, this recording may require a few complete watchthroughs. The conversation was created to intentionally dive deep into the areas of systems of perception and their impacts on our abilities to prioritize, the nature of YHWH (Judeo-Christian God), and the exploration of the True, the Good, and the Beautiful. This conversation is only the beginning of many more conversations to have between these three and on these topics. Please comment any insights that you have derived from this video, my team will be paying close attention to the progress on these ideas.Jonathan Pageau is a symbolic thinker, YouTuber, and class carver of orthodox icons. Jordan and Jonathan have an ongoing dialogue surrounding Judeo-Christian narrative, reality, and symbolism among many other topics.John Vervaeke is an Assistant Professor in Cognitive Psychology and Cognitive Science at the University of Toronto. His work constructs a bridge between science and spirituality in order to understand the experience of meaningfulness and the cultivation of wisdom so as to afford awakening from the meaning crisis.If you want to hear the rest of my conversation, please go to https://www.dailywire.com/watch and become a member today. Thanks. This episode is sponsored by Elysium health. Visit: http://explorematter.com/jordan Check out Jonathan Pageau’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQhttps://thesymbolicworld.com(speaking)https://pageaucarvings.com(carving)https://orthodoxartsjournal.org(writing) Watch more from John Vervaeke: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaeke —Links— Jordan Peterson Commencement Address: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvHjhtM8D7w&t=368s&ab_channel=HillsdaleCollegeImprimis subscribe: https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/free-lifetime-subscription-to-imprimis/Online Course sign up: online.hillsdale.eduFour Pillars: Educating for America (Imprimis): https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/four-pillars-educating-america/Faith and Reason are Mutually Reinforcing (Imprimis): https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/faith-reason-mutually-reinforcing/Civil Rights in American History Online Course: https://online.hillsdale.edu/landing/civil-rights-in-american-historyTheology 101: The Western Theological Tradition Online Course: https://online.hillsdale.edu/landing/theology-101Introduction to Western Philosophy Online Course: https://online.hillsdale.edu/landing/introduction-to-western-philosophyIntroduction to Aristotle’s Ethics: How to Lead a Good Life Online Course: https://online.hillsdale.edu/landing/aristotles-ethicsConstitution 101 Online Course: www.hillsdale.edu/con101Winston Churchill and Statesmanship: https://online.hillsdale.edu/landing/winston-churchill-and-statesmanship // SIGN UP FOR DAILY WIRE+ //www.dailywireplus.com // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.co...Donations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES // Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personalitySelf Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.comUnderstand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS // Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-...Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-m... // LINKS // Website: https://jordanbpeterson.comEvents: https://jordanbpeterson.com/eventsBlog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blogPodcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL // Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpetersonInstagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.petersonFacebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpetersonTelegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPetersonAll socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson

Dr. Peterson's extensive catalog is available now on DailyWire+: https://utm.io/ueSXh Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, Jonathan Pageau, and Jim Keller dive into the world of artificial intelligence, debating the pros and cons of technological achievement, and ascertaining whether smarter tech is something to fear or encourage. Jim Keller is a microprocessor engineer known for his work at Apple and AMD. He has served in the role of architect for numerous game changing processors, has co-authored multiple instruction sets for highly complicated designs, and is credited for being the key player behind AMD’s renewed ability to compete with Intel in the high-end CPU market. In 2016, Keller joined Tesla, becoming Vice President of Autopilot Hardware Engineering. In 2018, he became a Senior Vice President for Intel. In 2020, he resigned due to disagreements over outsourcing production, but quickly found a new position at Tenstorrent, as Chief Technical Officer. Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion.  —Links— For Jonathan Pageau: Icon Carving: http://www.pageaucarvings.com Podcast: www.thesymbolicworld.com Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/JonathanPageau For Jim Keller: Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/jimkxaJim's Speech, "10 Problems to Solve": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o70yKYWgtVI&t=21s Jim's Speech, "Overclocking AI": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L4AgmG8V3LE&t=3s https://open.spotify.com/episode/13evHqkSPMpMMU1zfXEtAg?si=cCmtYe8yQsaAV9_ZUN8j7Q Ian Banks References: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_series— Chapters — (0:00) Coming up(1:48) Intro(5:00) Conceptualizing artificial intelligence(9:10) Language models and story prediction(12:20) Deep story and prompt engineering(18:10) Friston, error prediction and emotional mapping(23:37) Generative models(24:36) Does the intelligence in AI come from humans?(27:26) Can AI have goals that are not understandable to humans?(30:22) When a human records data vs an AI(34:00) When will AI become autonomous?(37:48) To create what could supplant you(47:36) When technology is used to achieve desire, unintended consequences(55:14) Abundance and nihilism(58:30) High human goals and the weaponization of intelligence(1:04:28) AI: Who will hold the keys?(1:14:09) Technology through biblical imagery(1:17:30) When the term “AI” ceases to make sense(1:20:12) What will humans worship in the tech age? // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL //Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.com/youtubesignupDonations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES //Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personalitySelf Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.comUnderstand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS //Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-for-lifeMaps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-meaning // LINKS //Website: https://jordanbpeterson.comEvents: https://jordanbpeterson.com/eventsBlog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blogPodcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL //Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpetersonInstagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.petersonFacebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpetersonTelegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPetersonAll socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson #JordanPeterson #JordanBPeterson #DrJordanPeterson #DrJordanBPeterson #DailyWirePlus

Jonathan Pageau, an expert in symbolism, explores how symbols shape our understanding of reality. He discusses the reconciliation of ancient wisdom with modern cognition, emphasizing the importance of naming and intention. The conversation touches on themes of Christian non-dualism, forgiveness, and the unique aspects of human identity. Pageau highlights the significance of service and humility through the example of Jesus washing his disciples' feet. Finally, he navigates the complexities of sin, personal responsibility, and the transformative power of forgiveness in fostering deeper connections.

In this engaging discussion, Jonathan Pageau, a French-Canadian icon carver and expert on symbolism and the Orthodox faith, dives into the allure of Orthodoxy for modern seekers of spirituality. He explores the intricacies of fairy tales, delving into the dualities of characters like Baba Yaga and the moral complexities in stories like 'Jack and the Beanstalk' and 'Hansel and Gretel.' Pageau also reflects on the transformative nature of suffering and belief, emphasizing the resonant truths found within narratives and their implications for personal growth.

French-Canadian icon carver Jonathan Pageau discusses the Fall of Adam and Eve, exploring themes of superstitions, serpents symbolizing strangeness, Adam and Eve's disobedience consequences, parallel narratives in Gnostic theology vs. Christianity, and the significance of religious stories in reality. The podcast delves into alternate outcomes, chaos, debate etiquette, and interviewing techniques.

French Canadian icon carver Jonathan Pageau discusses the representation of divine figures in art, the perception of brutalist buildings, biases towards old and new architecture, icons and idols, the complex connection between sexuality, religion, and evolutionary biology, and the importance of religious symbols and the misunderstanding of ancient ways of thinking.

We had the honor of having our dear friend Jonathan Pageau host this Beyond Order lecture in Montreal on May 23rd, 2022. Jonathan opens the show by describing how he first heard (and subsequently met) Jordan. This event, then, serves as a continuation of the conversations they first had. Throughout this hour-and-a-half-long event, Dr. Peterson and Jonathan Pageau discuss perception, symbolism, values, and the relationship between perception and the cognitive scientist’s attempts to understand consciousness.—Links—Check out Jonathan Pageau’s YouTube channel:https://youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQWebsites:https://thesymbolicworld.com (speaking)https://pageaucarvings.com (carving)https://orthodoxartsjournal.org (writing) —Chapters— 0:00 — Intro4:55 — Dr. Peterson enters the stage8:00 — Perception, Cognitive Science, and the problem of bodyless AI 11:30 — The visual cliff experiment & perceiving the world18:30 — The awe of infinity & complexity of the Heavens 21:00 — Awe, imitation, & why humans celebrate28:00 — The role of sacrifice & delaying gratification32:00 — Egyptian gods & ancient symbolism36:00 — Pyramids vs. mountains in The Bible44:00 — The cost of not aiming properly 52:30 — Bottom-up vs. top-down conceptualizations of the world57:00 — Sam Harris1:05:00 — Why the Diversity, Inclusivity, and Equity types are taking on STEM 1:10:00 — Is it possible to create values from scratch? Nietzsche, Freud, & Jung1:16:00 — Why go to church?1:22:00 — Q&A#Perception #BeyondOrder #JonathanPageau #Symbolism #Values #SamHarris

Dr. Peterson's extensive catalog is available now on DailyWire+: https://utm.io/ueSXh Jonathan Pageau, Douglas Murray, and Dr Jordan B Peterson discuss our hierarchies of perception, existence, faith, and whether meaning is a self evident truth or something intangible that is sought in vain. Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion. Douglas Murray is a British political commentator and author. In 2007 he founded a think tank called the Center for Social Cohesion, which later became part of the Henry Jackson Society. Currently he is an associate editor for the magazine the Spectator, where he became somewhat infamous after organizing a competition in which entrants were invited to submit offensive poems about Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, with a top prize of £1,000. He has authored five books, the most recent of which being “The War on the West.” —Links— For Douglass Murray: Website: https://douglasmurray.net/ (Book) The War on the West: https://www.amazon.com/War-West-Douglas-Murray/dp/0063162024/ (Book) The Strange Death of Europe: https://www.amazon.com/Strange-Death-Europe-Immigration-Identity-ebook/dp/B07J4G6P1T/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IZ93P44GH6II&keywords=the+strange+death+of+europe&qid=1663609075&s=digital-text&sprefix=the+strange+death+of+europe%2Cdigital-text%2C75&sr=1-1 For Jonathan Pageau: Icon Carving: http://www.pageaucarvings.com Podcast: www.thesymbolicworld.com Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/JonathanPageau —Chapters— (0:00) Coming Up(1:10) Intro(4:18) A Precondition for a Rational World View(10:29) The Battle of Conceptions(14:55) Perceived Unity and the Glass(21:58) Do Science and Religion Overlap?(29:41) The Hierarchy of Perception and Action(38:45) The Bible Was Not Written Forensically(48:25) Using the Least Possible Thing to Describe the Realness of Everything(57:07) Are We Meaning-Seeking Beings, or is There Meaning?(1:05:56) To What Degree Does Something Exist Prior to Elaboration?(1:12:04) The Cause of Demoralization in Our Society(1:17:58) The Advantage of Organized Religion // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL //Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.com/youtubesignupDonations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES //Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personalitySelf Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.comUnderstand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS //Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-for-lifeMaps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-meaning // LINKS //Website: https://jordanbpeterson.comEvents: https://jordanbpeterson.com/eventsBlog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blogPodcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL //Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpetersonInstagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.petersonFacebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpetersonTelegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPetersonAll socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson #JordanPeterson #JordanBPeterson #DrJordanPeterson #DrJordanBPeterson #DailyWirePlus