The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast 262. Beyond Order: Montreal Lecture | Jonathan Pageau
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Jun 16, 2022 
In this discussion, Jonathan Pageau, a Montreal-based Orthodox Christian artist and thinker, shares insights from his journey connecting with Jordan Peterson. They explore the nature of perception, the significance of sacrifice, and the intricate relationship between symbolism and sacred architecture. Pageau highlights the role of awe in understanding consciousness and values, drawing from ancient imagery to modern dilemmas about ethics. Their conversation challenges listeners to contemplate the creation of values and the importance of celebrating human experience.
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Pageau's First Encounter with Peterson
- In 2015, Jonathan Pageau heard Jordan Peterson on CBC radio and was impressed by his insights.
- Pageau emailed Peterson, leading to a phone call and an ongoing conversation about patterns and religion.
Perception of Meaning
- Humans perceive meaning, not just objects, and infer objects from meaning.
- This challenges the materialist view and suggests our perception is value-laden.
Awe and Imitation
- Awe, a primary religious experience, guides our attention and actions.
- It inspires imitation, shaping our highest values and ethical pursuits.
