Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

How Symbols Shape Our World | Jonathan Pageau

Dec 12, 2024

Jonathan Pageau, an expert in symbolism, explores how symbols shape our understanding of reality. He discusses the reconciliation of ancient wisdom with modern cognition, emphasizing the importance of naming and intention. The conversation touches on themes of Christian non-dualism, forgiveness, and the unique aspects of human identity. Pageau highlights the significance of service and humility through the example of Jesus washing his disciples' feet. Finally, he navigates the complexities of sin, personal responsibility, and the transformative power of forgiveness in fostering deeper connections.

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The podcast emphasizes that symbolism influences perception and understanding, revealing deeper connections within our lived experiences and reality.

Jonathan Pageau introduces vertical causality to explain the deeper meanings behind our actions, encouraging listeners to reflect on intention and purpose.

Forgiveness is framed as a transformative act that restores balance, highlighting its importance in repairing relationships and societal dynamics.

The discussion on Christian non-dualism illustrates how unity and multiplicity coexist, challenging traditional notions of hierarchy through the example of the Trinity.

Dogma is presented as a necessary framework in Christianity, serving to preserve essential beliefs while allowing for a nuanced understanding of faith.

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Intro

2min

Understanding Symbolism and Reality

12min

The Art of Attention: Understanding Through Differences

6min

Causality and Unity: Ancient and Modern Perspectives

6min

Exploring Non-Dualism and Divine Logos in Christianity

4min

Servant Leadership and Identity

5min

The Symbolism of Service and Human Connection

16min

Understanding Sin and Forgiveness

12min

Unity and Multiplicity in Christianity

26min

10.

Exploring Religious Idiosyncrasies and Authenticity

12min

11.

Unity and Multiplicity in Theology

16min

12.

Trust, Dogma, and Divine Reflection

26min

13.

Current Debates in Eastern Orthodox Tradition

4min

14.

Exploring the Realms of Imagination and Language

21min

15.

Metaphors of Meaning

10min

16.

Exploring the Depths of Symbolism and Causality

3min

17.

Non-Dualism and Divine Service

14min

18.

Updates on New Writings and Community Engagement

3min

In today's episode of Theories of Everything, Curt Jaimungal speaks to Jonathan Pageau about a cognitive theory of everything where symbolism, purpose, and meaning reconcile ancient wisdom with modern understanding, culminating in a radical Christian non-dualism that unites unity and multiplicity.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

•⁠ Jonathan Pageau links: - The Symbolic World (website): https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/

•⁠ ⁠Jonathan’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@JonathanPageau

•⁠ ⁠The Tale of Snow White and the Widow Queen (book): https://www.amazon.com/Tale-White-Widow-Queen-Tales-ebook/dp/B0D7K74165?ref_=ast_author_dp

•⁠ ⁠Jonathan’s previous appearance on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6umrrokgeG4

•⁠ ⁠Noam Chomsky’s TOE playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlORiRfcaQe8ZdxKxF-e2BCY

•⁠ ⁠Bernardo Kastrup on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAB21FAXCDE

•⁠ ⁠Wolfgang Smith on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF4S_P_o-g0

•⁠ ⁠Iain McGilchrist on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9sBKCd2HD0

•⁠ ⁠John Vervaeke on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVj1KYGyesI

Timestamps:

0:00 - Initial Context & Channel Name

4:21 - Vertical Causation & Naming

11:01 - Symbolism & Patterns in Practice

20:26 - Christian vs. Eastern Non-Dualism & Forgiveness

34:18 - What Makes Humans Unique?

41:38 - Jesus

45:02 - Resurrection, Incarnation & Structural Vision

55:00 - Love, Theosis & Multiplicity-in-Unity

01:10:30 - Incarnation, Forgiveness & Concluding Insights

01:17:10 - Subtle Bodies, Saints & Patterns of Influence

01:30:28 - Authenticity, Difference & Proper Unity

01:45:13 - Incarnation as Eternal Fulcrum & Purpose of Reality

02:00:17 - Apophatic Theology, Dogma as Protective Boundaries

02:15:26 - Synergy, Faith Traditions & Proper Communion

02:30:10 - Degrees of Reality, Literal vs. Metaphorical

02:45:13 - Representing the Invisible, Analogies for God

03:00:17 - Scientific Language, Physical Grounding & Purpose

03:15:39 - Conclusion

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